Hey John is it not possible to set up a signal flow for example where the input signal comes in and goes out direct via the direct mixer with zero latency monitoring to the output (Main for example) The input signal could also be routed into Sonar and the reverb created there. Now in Sonar you don't monitor the input/dry signal but rather the reverb only.

That way you will hear the direct signal or dry with no latency and the reverb effect might have a very small latency which could be perceived as a form of pre delay. ie it should be OK. That way you would not have to use the reverb pedal the way you are now. Just a thought.

Also the Octa Capture mentioned above (for the OP) has added versatility in the area of headphone mixes etc..

A digital mixer connected to a DAW is far more powerful than anything the V Studio system can do. I think the problem of setting up the input monitoring and headphone mixes with effects etc is one thing and that can be solved but the much larger problem is really how the V Studio works with the latest version of Sonar and when and if they fix that.

So i guess you are using the Alesis r12 as you FX unit and moniter router.
I didnt want to get into adding different units one for this and another for that.
I want a totaly simple compact 8 input unit that is user friendly quick to set up as my 02r, but with the total or near enough intergration into sonar.
Very conflicting view, I think i need to get sone hands on use and see for myself how i would work it. Nothing is ever simple.
Alternativley after all this i could just get the Yamaha's smaller brther the 01v96 and continue working the way i do.  

Jeff Evans


Hey John is it not possible to set up a signal flow for example where the input signal comes in and goes out direct via the direct mixer with zero latency monitoring to the output
 

It certainly is, I do it all the time, and that's part of the process I describe above. Are we talking about different things here?

Ah hang on, I see your point. Yes, I think that would likely work quite well. Any latency induced lag on the reverb wouldn't matter for these purposes.
 
I wish I'd thought of that, it's way simpler than what I've been doing. Duh!

Zeth


Let me elaberate,
I only record live instruments, i dont use virtual instruments. 

Then no need for the VS-700R, grab an Octa-Capture with the console. Apparently they sound the same. No Fantom. No ADAT I/O either, but you can link 2 of them for 16 mic pres and stereo spdif I/O. Auto-sens is killer according to users here. 8 direct/no latency stereo headphone mixes possible, 2 with hardware reverb/echo, for the price of one VS-700R...

I have a three pice band to record, two acoustic guitars, one bass, and three vocals. Thes guys want to do it live, (record all at the same time). Each want their own headphone mix, each want reverb on their vocals. 

See above. As Jeff said, a software reverb work nicely. Set pre-delay to shortest and the system latency will add a very short one for you. Work awesome and remember, with 2x octa-capture you get 2x hardware reverb, so less stress on the system.

I want to record each instrument and vocal to its own track in sonar without any FX reverb etc, so i can add it later at the mix stage. 

Yes that will work.

Currently i can do all of this with my 02r96 system at zero latency. 
However i want to down size my system and I am looking for a smaller system such as the V700. I cant see how this would be done on the V 700 without incuring latency throug the drivers and fx processing. 

Yeah that won't work easily and that's been a frustration for me. I tried to figure a lot of options and the Octa-Capture one is one them, paired with a Presonus HP-60.


I finally grabbed a Furman HDR-6 and 2x HS-6 for monitoring. VS-R's direct mixer left/right to channels 1/2 (I pan to L/R to create mono sub-mixes on each channels), outboard pre direct out to 3/4, Sonar Mix to stereo input. Reverb in the box. Works like a dream and musicians don't bother me anymore ;)

edit: ah yeah, you need an D/A converter for this setup cause sub and main out's level are both adjusted with the volume knob. So you have to use the digital 1 out in the Direct Mixer tab... 

 Can all of the above be done using the V Studio 700 at zero latency. 

With Octa-Capture Yes. But as Jeff said, latency or "pre-delay" is not an issue with fx like reverb or delay ;) The vs drivers are very good and with a good i7 machine (or i5, they are cheap as hell) you'll find latency should not be a problem with reverb at all.

 

Thanks Dyonight.
I have an appointment with my local store and would you belive a Roland rep to demo the 700 for me over the week end. Hopfully i an put the thing through its paces and see for myself what can be done with it.
Thaks all for your valuble input.

feel free to buy mine.......in excellent condition.  its on ebay right now.  pm me for details.  comes with original box.  used in pro environment.

Having borrowed one for a week i dont think its for me. Its much to pricy, i find the pre-amps just a little noisy at very high gain. I dont like having to use software fx for headphone monitoring, and i dont want to get more gear to offset this. The control surface is verygood smoth and silent, however having tried an AVID Arts surfaces at a third the price i may considerv that. Now X2 has touch i may try a 17" monitor and see how that fairs. in fact an all in one pc with touch may be the way to go. And still have change from three and a half grand.

 in fact an all in one pc with touch may be the way to go.

been there, done that. now the touch all-in-one pc is nailed to the wall for tracking jam sessions where you don't have to do much other than pull up a few templates, arm tracks, push record ... i tried to use it seriously for a while but always ended up being better off (faster & more accurate) with the mouse ... so after the touch experience I bought a real control surface ...
 
of course, that was x1 and win7 and everything is moved with index fingers these days ...