2015/07/10 21:12:29
Amine Belkhouche
I've been eying this meter for a while:
http://klanghelm.com/VUMT.php
 
I've heard some good things about it.
2015/07/10 21:54:49
Jeff Evans
The Klanghelm meters are excellent and cheap.  Also they are very close to the ballistic of real VU's which I also have. (not all are!)
 
You can treat digital the same way as analog.  All you do is choose a reference level.  LIke Bat for example -18 dB rms = 0 dB VU.  In my case I work at multiple ref levels (as per K system) but usually only two though. -14 dB rms = 0 dB VU or -20 dB rms = 0 dB VU.
 
You set that up on the VU meter itself.  You need some sinewave alignment tones also.
 
Once you do this you can treat your digital system exactly like analog.  All you do you is adjust your VU's to give you a reading of 0 dB VU everywhere in your mix starting with the tracks themselves.  In and out of plugins and on your buses too and the masterbuss of course.  But you actually have 14, 18  or 20 dB of headroom sitting above to catch those peaks.
 
So you watch your rms levels and don't sweat the peaks at all.  They just take care of themselves just like they did in the old days.  I never see a clip light come on anywhere in a mix.  If you do you are doing something wrong.
 
Many VST's vary wildly in their rms levels.  If you adjust the output of any VST's before bouncing etc so they just peak 0dB VU you won't have to fiddle with them from that point on again.
 
Plus every mix you do is at the same rms level.  Makes mastering much easier too.
 
Fast sounds such as drum sounds are a little different though.  They have high peak values and very low rms values usually and the VU takes 300 ms to reach 0 dB VU so they won't show those sounds very well.  Peak metering comes into its own then.  Once you send all the drums to a drum buss though you will have enough rms level to move a VU more normally then.
2015/07/11 11:09:37
Cactus Music
Excellet stuff as always from Jeff ( and Bat) 
I never really gave much thought to what all the meters are doing in a DAW re- peak or RMS. Being old enought to have probably still done more mixing on analog than digital I sort of assumed the meters were worth trusting. I guess I need to take a closer look :{ 
I tend to just use my ears more than my eyes anyway. 
And I still prefer to keep all tracks at the top of the scale when recording. 
 
If Sonar is planning a Wave editor that has a few more analyzing tools then that will help me in my workflow. 
When I record a live band with 12 or more tracks,  to keep things SAFE while tracking,  I record a lot lower than I would in the studio. So I like to tool copy those tracks into wave lab and check the RMS and peak levels. With wave lab I can make a huge improvment to the tracks overall RMS level and mixing is easy after that. I hope Cake includes a RMS analyzer down the road. 
 
2015/07/11 19:33:54
PilotGav
charlyg
We need a "school house rock" forum here....



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Yes I'm only a fader
And at unity I breath like Darth Vader
2015/07/14 03:47:29
synkrotron
I've just been reading all of the above and I'm left scratching my head... Looks like I'm going to have to go back to school, which means hitting google and finding more info before I start bugging peeps here 
 
I'll be back later no doubt...
2015/07/14 22:07:09
sausy1981
Hi guys, I recently did a video on this on my youtube channel, I use the vumt and brainworx meter and the meters in sonar, and I explain why I set levels to -18db rms, Have a look at the video in the link blow, Hope you can understand the Irish accent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrIfjwVCjEg
2015/07/15 03:55:44
synkrotron
Thanks for the video Andrew. I've subscribed to your channel and I'll take some time to work through your mixing series.
 
 
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