2014/04/02 10:42:14
Beagle
This is a very poor topic, IMO, Rik.  it reminds me of the time that Joe Bravo (former forum member now banned for life) made the bold statement and arguments in the forum that drummers were not musicians.
 
Personally I disagree with that statement completely and the thought had never even crossed my mind as such.  
 
While I understand that you and your music may not need drums, that doesn't mean that they are irrelevant in today's music.
 
you've already ruffled feathers of a drummer in this thread, and if more show up, i'm sure they will be equally upset with your statement.
2014/04/02 10:54:05
Jonbouy
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Easy to get mixed up????





Actually I have a true story along these lines (no pun(s) intended) that is quite bizarre but it's a long one and it had a 30 year timespan to it in real life so I think I shall refrain from recounting it.
2014/04/02 11:01:29
Starise
I think Rik is somewhat tounge in cheek on the subject. Maybe I'm wrong and he really doesn't see the need for drums.
 
If he means what I think he means, then I might agree. I think there is an over emphasis on drums sometimes, almost as if somehow or some way drums MUST be a part of anything with a rhythmic feel. If a rhythm doesn't fit no problem ,stretch the part and put drums in it....know what I'm saying? 99% of everything I hear has some kind of drums in it when it isn't always necessary.
 
In rock,metal,thrash,hip hop the drums are recognized as pretty much part of the recipe if not THE recipe. But even rock can sometimes be less than a huge pounding drum at all times.
 
 
2014/04/02 11:14:16
paulo
Jonbouy
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Actually I have a true story along these lines (no pun(s) intended) that is quite bizarre but it's a long one and it had a 30 year timespan to it in real life so I think I shall refrain from recounting it.




I know something, but I'm not telling you.........
 

2014/04/02 11:20:19
Jonbouy
Starise
I think Rik is somewhat tounge in cheek on the subject. Maybe I'm wrong and he really doesn't see the need for drums.
 
If he means what I think he means, then I might agree. I think there is an over emphasis on drums sometimes, almost as if somehow or some way drums MUST be a part of anything with a rhythmic feel. If a rhythm doesn't fit no problem ,stretch the part and put drums in it....know what I'm saying? 99% of everything I hear has some kind of drums in it when it isn't always necessary.
 
In rock,metal,thrash,hip hop the drums are recognized as pretty much part of the recipe if not THE recipe. But even rock can sometimes be less than a huge pounding drum at all times.
 

There's plenty of music that doesn't benefit from drums Django Reinhardt is a good example where drums would have swamped the delicate interplay between tonal instruments.  Besides drummers need more time to spend at the bar so it's welcome that a guitarist feels an over-arching need to play with himself now and then.
 
So there's no necessity for drums at all in many situations, much like Herb has already pointed out, and most of us already know.
 
Who can tell the motivation here though it does smell like bit of deliberately contentious and elitist dick swinging from someone way too caught up in their own percieved self importance and legend.
 
Most of 'em need a drummer make them realise how bad their timing actually is and to keep their wives warm of course while the big guy disappears up his own jacksie.
 
See I can be tongue in cheek too...
2014/04/02 11:22:12
jamesg1213
Rikkie
Why would you need drums . Just to tap out the rhythm?  When  you're playing a melody or sing a melody , you know the rhythm, otherwise you couldn't play or sing the melody.Rhythm starts with melody, imho  Please enlighten me ; )
 
Rik
 
P.S. did I mention I don't like drums ? ; )




Well...extrapolate it further..why do you need a guitar if you can sing or hum the melody? Why sing or hum when you can just imagine the tune? What's the point of having ears?
 
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2014/04/02 11:22:34
Jonbouy
paulo
Jonbouy
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Easy to get mixed up????





Actually I have a true story along these lines (no pun(s) intended) that is quite bizarre but it's a long one and it had a 30 year timespan to it in real life so I think I shall refrain from recounting it.




I know something, but I'm not telling you.........
 





No, honestly I was thinking about it when I posted it and realised I couldn't really be arsed to type it out.
 
I could have scrapped it before posting but that would have meant throwing away a perfectly good +1 to my post count.
2014/04/02 11:31:38
Starise
My point exactly..there's a lot of music that doesn't benefit from drums. But then if the drummer shows up and there's no bass player...then what One reason I'm mostly a solo player. You can put a lot of rhythm into a piano or a guitar.
 
I have loved it when the drummer finally showed up and the bass player too...I don't remember the last time that happened.
2014/04/02 11:40:06
drewfx1
Without drums the bass player would get blamed for everything. 
2014/04/02 13:09:15
Rikkie
Thanks for the hostility guys, seems this club is just for members.
 
Have a nice live y'all.
 
I'll close the door behind me.
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