2015/07/05 08:17:11
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
FreeFlyBertl
just don't add them with the piano player or guitarist looking over your shoulder and then make the mistake to solo the track for them ... they simply won't like it ;-)



Ha I've definitely been guilty of that.
2015/07/05 08:41:56
bitflipper
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
FreeFlyBertl
just don't add them with the piano player or guitarist looking over your shoulder and then make the mistake to solo the track for them ... they simply won't like it ;-)



Ha I've definitely been guilty of that.




It's especially awkward when you're married to the piano player, no?
2015/07/05 10:19:48
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Actually its me - I've had people kill the mids from my sound and I'm a midrangy kind of guy <g>
2015/07/06 04:35:15
Zargg
Hi. I usually use er before and after dynamics. Depending om the song , I sometimes use a subtractive eq first, dynamics, and boost eq. Or the other way, if needed. I switch them around to see/hear what I like best.
As mentioned earlier, there are no specific rules. If it sounds good to you, it is good😀
2015/07/06 06:21:44
Karyn
There is a 'natural' order to certain effects.
 
Take any acoustic instrument (lets use a piano), the natural order is dynamics (how hard you hit the keys), EQ (the shape/construction of the instrument), then time based (room reverb).
 
Once you start looking at artificial effects, like compression, distortion, chorus, flanging, then you have to understand exactly what they're doing to the sound in order to decide where best to put them in the chain.   Placing a chorus before distortion will give an entirely different sound to placing it after...
2015/07/06 06:40:27
synkrotron
Oh dear... It looks like I'm doing it all wrong then...
 
Typically, on most of my recent projects, I insert an EQ plug as the first item in the effects bin, and apply that to the dry sound, in order to get the sound "sculpted" to fit in with each of the other tracks. Only if I feel that it is absolutely necessary do I add a dynamics plug into a track effects bin.
 
If I am adding reverb to a track, I have since settled on always creating a buss for that effect and sending individual tracks to that, which is then routed to the master buss.
 
If I add delay to a track then I will generally add that to a track, usually because I am after a particular delay effect just for that track, rather than trying to emulate playing in a canyon or something. And I place it last in the bin.
 
I use mainly VST instruments, many of which come with their own EQ, dynamic and reverb/delay. If I am unable to attain the same effect with one of my VST plugs then I will use the effect that comes with the VSTi, otherwise I turn it off, thereby giving me more control over effects order, as well as using a plug that is sometimes better than the same "on-board" effect.
 
On my master buss I have recently started using final "mastering" (I use that term loosely) EQ, followed by a limiter and finally spectrum display.
 
So, to recap, I am using EQ > Dynamics (if required) > Reverb on tracks and then EQ > Dynamics on the master buss.
 
I'm going to have to do a bit more research on this...
 
 
2015/07/06 07:19:12
Karyn
There's nothing wrong with the way you're adding reverb,  in fact a send to a reverb bus is the "standard" way to work.  It goes back to the days when reverb units were very expensive (and big) and most studios had one (or two).
Today you could put a reverb in every tack FX bin if you wanted, but because of the way we perceive sound (specifically reverb) it's best if each instrument using reverb has exactly the same reverb  (you're creating physical space) and the best way to achieve that is to have a single instance in a bus that you send other tracks to.
 
As for EQ and dynamics.  Altering the volume will not normally affect the frequency content* but altering the frequency content WILL affect how a dynamics processor reacts.  Every gate/expander/compressor/limiter is basically just an automated volume/gain control and the control input is frequency sensitive.  There are no rules to say you should not put EQ before dynamics, but you could end up chasing your tail as every EQ change will affect the dynamics as well.
 
 
* A very fast attack on a gate can add artificial hi frequencies to give a kick drum that '80's click
2015/07/06 10:10:22
bitflipper
1 + 2 * 3 = ?
 
Whether the answer is 7 or 9 depends upon the order in which you perform the addition and multiplication. 
 
Everything that happens under the hood of a DAW comes down to addition and multiplication.
 
The difference is that in arithmetic we've settled upon rules of precedence in order to assure consistent results. In the real world such rules do not exist, so 7 and 9 are both legitimate answers.
2015/07/06 12:50:20
Zargg
I think there is no such thing as a specific order of plugins. I use plugins in the order I think fits the song / part. There is no spoon...
2015/07/06 15:24:14
batsbrew
if you think of 'effects' as more 'sound shapers', and understand that GAIN STAGING is important in this equation,
then you will get a better handle on stacking effects.
 
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