2014/03/14 11:57:29
Starise
Our military who is helping to look for the jet has stated that they can find something as small as a basketball from miles high.
 
The ocean is still a big place though. Speculation is rampant. One of our news carriers made a pretty big deal about a few of the passengers having stolen passports. I'm not sure how much that kind of thing happens. The same news agency came back later and said that at least one of the suspects was basically cleared as a suspect which had me wondering why? Good guys don't usually steal passports.
 
Something shady is going on.....I don't think it's a case of simply an aircraft that malfunctioned and crashed. 
2014/03/14 12:17:38
craigb
Donner, party of 50...
2014/03/14 17:10:01
slartabartfast
The evidence is strong for deliberate action on the part of the pilots. It may have been under duress or the pilots may have been replaced by hijackers, but it does not seem credible that there was some kind of equipment failure. An error in navigation would not cause experienced flight personnel to fly for hours in the wrong direction. When one of these planes goes into the water after a catastrophic failure followed by a crash, or explosion in flight there is a lot more than an oil slick. Many parts of the aircraft will float, as will many parts of the cargo and passenger possessions. An exceptionally skillful water landing, followed by a sinking puts out less debris, but should have been followed by automatic distress signal beacons form life rafts etc. A crash landing on land with debris scattered under dense jungle canopy is more likely. Or a successful landing followed by hiding the aircraft. It is sobering to think that in the 21st century with all the agencies monitoring radar, satellites etc. an aircraft can disappear just by turning off a transponder, and not responding to the radio. Amelia Earhart is probably laughing at us somewhere.
2014/03/14 17:47:44
soens
>"EDIT. I did just find an article that says I'm wrong, per trip or per mile, air travel is safest."<
 
That's funny. If I live to be 98 and then fly for the 1st time in my life and the plane crashes and I'm crippled for life or die.... I'll be glad I took the "safest" way to travel.
 
Statistics are for people who write books, imo.
2014/03/14 18:00:16
bitflipper
Air travel would be the safest mode of transportation except for one factor: 99.9% of air passengers arrive at the airport in a car or a bus. It's the 45 minutes between my house and the airport that I find most frightening. Especially the time I drove down country roads to the airport at night without headlights, but I try not to make a habit of that.
 
I think what makes this case unnerving is that we have this notion that aircraft are continuously tracked and monitored while in flight, and that just ain't so. Fact is, even commercial flights are pretty much on their own for at least part of any ocean route.
 
It's only been 5 years since a similarly-sized aircraft vanished over the ocean. As with MH370, it too "just disappeared". It took 5 days to discover the wreckage, even though it was more or less on course when it went in the drink. It took 2 more years to recover the black boxes, and another year to piece together the sequence of events that led to the plane's demise.
 
What was upsetting about that incident is that a nearly-new state-of-the-art airplane (an A330) could be brought down by a single minor malfunction that made it impossible for the pilots to know how fast the airplane was going. Were they too slow or too fast? With a 50-50 chance of guessing correctly, they guessed wrong, put the nose up and stalled - while ignoring the audible stall warnings that were going off. The airplane literally fell out of the sky, remaining horizontal and slowly spinning as it fell straight down. Stuff like that isn't supposed to happen.
 
The bogus-passport angle will likely turn out to be irrelevant. Stolen passports are a big business in Malaysia. Those two guys were just following a long-established procedure for escaping Iran: go to Malaysia under a legit passport, buy a European passport on the black market, and then choose your destination in the free world. If you can get off the plane before the stolen passports are entered into the database you're home free.
 
The pilot-suicide theory is also unlikely. To intentionally crash a plane the pilot would most likely send it into a dive, which would have triggered an automatic broadcast to the monitoring satellites. 
 
As for pilot error, the pilot was a veteran. More significant may be that the first officer had no time in a 777, only in a simulator. Cruising straight and level would be the logical time to let the new guy take over the controls and get some flight time under his belt. They don't simulate every contingency in those simulators.
 
 
2014/03/15 04:25:01
soens
>They don't simulate every contingency in those simulators.<
 
One thing they DO simulate in a simulator is... flying.
 
In fact, the safest way to fly is in a simulator. 
2014/03/15 04:54:42
craigb
When I started at a flying school the instructor said a good landing is one you can walk away from.  A great landing is one where you can reuse the plane.  Unfortunately, I ran out of money at the time and never did finish to get my pilot's license.  Oh well.
2014/03/15 05:07:11
Shambler
News says somebody deliberately disabled the communications on the plane.
2014/03/15 05:22:12
craigb
Shambler
News says somebody deliberately disabled the communications on the plane.



You'd think the FSF would be a better choice...
2014/03/15 06:24:04
Kalle Rantaaho
The possibility that the plane had been hijacked and had really (nearly?) reached the Andaman Islands without
being spotted is both frightening and fascinating. The latest news/speculations say it was airborne still 7 hours after disappearance!
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