2014/03/21 20:15:30
bapu
clintmartin
After watching the video I feel like I can jump right in with a very small learning curve.


Even a little less for me since I have some experience with EZKeys.
2014/03/21 20:31:06
bapu
Dave,
 
I imagine that I could use my Alesis E-Kit on a created song to add accents etc. inside EZD 2 in standalone?
 
I'm not a solid drummer by any stretch but adding fills and accents are somewhat in my wheelhouse on my e-kit. 
2014/03/21 20:53:48
bapu
I may (or may not) wait until a sale especially since I have a $10 certificate from audiodeluxe.
 
Although I am excited about the product it's not like I am in the same boat as myolpal and modbod who do this to generate revenue.
2014/03/21 21:32:55
Dave Modisette
mixmkr
I think it's nice.. owning both EZD and Superior2.  However, as easy as EZD is, Superior isn't like it's opening a 100 page book to use it.  Superior is MUCH more superior and I'd really like to see an upgrade of this magnitude, done to Superior.  This just kinda got EZD closer...especially with being able to tune the drums.  Seems many don't feel that aspect is that important.
 
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In a recent project, I tuned the UDU using EZD2 so that it was in the same key of the song.  I tuned it to the 5th of the scale and it fits in nicely with what I am playing on bass.  I've tuned cymbals as well.  Down tuning them to the point of where they are more like a ghostly gong.  Of course, in the past you had to do that in Superior 2.
2014/03/21 21:41:09
mixmkr
for the "guys that generate revenue"... this tells me that EZD is just fine and Superior isn't really needed...  which is kinda surprising, really.  IOW... how many of the "guys that generate revenue" (and I'm not pointing to anyone in particular now!!  ;-D   )...   would actually write in EZD because it is sooo much easier...and THEN transfer the MIDI to Superior.  For some odd reason, the *sound* of the drums plays a big part in the production for me, that changing them later... especially approaching mixdown... is like changing the electric guitars for a flock of flautists.  Tell Phil Collins we're going to "re-amp" his drum sound at mixdown... we might go for the "dry kit"!  

But really.....aren't we foolishly spending all our extra coin-age on great gear, so we can become great rock stars someday... and why would we want to use the drum program with the training wheels on it, when we can ride the big bike for the same amount of money?... or almost!
2014/03/21 21:56:47
yorolpal
I do most all my paid commercial broadcast (I.e. Advertising) projects using what works best/quickest. And that generally means EZD on about 75%. On my own or others musical producer jobs I go into more detail to make sure I'm definitely using what I deem best. And I'm very finicky. And I own most all of the top drum emulators. That said I bet 50% of my projects end up using EZD. Because it is very good, the EZXs cover a range of genres and I love working with program. I have SD2 as well and have even been forcing myself to use and learn it. And it is very, very good. But I still prefer EZD as it too is very, very good and I am one lazy assed sum****. YMMV.
2014/03/21 21:58:07
clintmartin
I think I'll be getting everything with EZD2 that I need. I'm sure there is an "almost" dry kit that can be worked with in Sonar using the multiple outs. I don't have Superior 2.0. What does it have that I can't get with EZD2 and Sonar? Are the samples better? Higher resolution?...Serious question.
I was in the process of expanding my midi library when I saw the video. I don't think I'll be needing anymore midi. It seems like finding that groove will now be very easy to create without it.
2014/03/21 22:14:43
mixmkr
With Superior .... just a quick list ....in no order...but you get attack/decay adjustments on the drums...(and the tuning which EZD2 now has) and a bunch of built in FX in the mixer section...nothing special but nice.  I think the biggest thing is the sound of the drums are better, imo and *if* you like "room sound"... you get piles of that, that you can add zero ...to as much as you want.  IOW, if you want to do the Led Zep monster kit in the hallway, you can approximate, where in EZD, I'm not sure you could replicate.  I think the MIDI grooves are a little more "tasty" overall.  That's hard to explain, but maybe like a better drummer, but playing still contained... HH stuff and side stick seems a little more "adult" for a lack of words.  Plus some extra mics, here and there, that you can blend to taste and the mixer...although waaaaay too many channels for the average use... now has busses and such that let you work inside the program, should you not want to do that in Sonar.  Nice presets too from Toontrack, from the full kits, to individual drum, HH sounds, etc
 
However..IMO...if you like the sound of drums recorded in a nice big, wooden wall'd, famous studio... you'll love the NY vol 1,2 and now 3...which to me are a couple notches above the kits EZD has.  Forget the reverb plugs...you won't need them unless you're doing something really wild.
2014/03/21 22:16:31
bapu
I could be wrong but once on EZD 2 would there ever be a need for TT to create new MIDI content for sale.
 
I'm sure there will, but will the market demand it?
2014/03/21 22:19:00
mixmkr
oh... another big feature, is that you can layer drums... IOW stack several snares, kicks...whatever... to one MIDI note.  All within the program, versus another MIDI track in Sonar.   It's called the Xdrum feature...  not to mention having the bleed of one "studio" put on another kit recorded somewhere else.  Stuff like that, I don't really do, as room sound is room sound to me... but I do like the X drum feature.  A bit clunky to initiate, but you can come up with some nice sounds... just like you might layer synth sounds.
 
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