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2014/05/03 07:46:18
Psalmist35
Hello everyone.  With the multitude of VST's available I thought I'd ask here hoping someone might be able to steer me in the right direction. 
 
I am in search of a specific sound that I use a lot from my KORG Triton  keyboard,  Unfortunately it has a home elsewhere and sometimes it is not convenient to bring back to my studio.  The sound is available for listen below.  I have been a Sonar PE user since Sonar 3 so I have all these tools at my disposal but I have not been able to find this sound within the packaged bundles in Sonar.
 
For reference, I do NOT have KONTACT, which I am certain has a similar sound.  Hopefully someone can suggest a relatively inexpensive VST.
 
Listen Here
 
Thanks in advance,
Rich
2014/05/03 07:56:10
Glyn Barnes
I think it could be programmed in Pentagon reasonably easily. Sawtooth wave and play around with the LP filter and envelopes until you get it right.  Add a bit of reverb in the effects bit to finish it off.
2014/05/03 08:21:19
Psalmist35
Glyn, I appreciate your response.  When it come to programming synths I always find myself getting frustrated.  This does not come easily to me.  I actually found something close in DimPro but one of the sound had this annoying Oscillation that I couldn't figure out how to turn off and it also had an amplitude that I could not tame either.   Uggggggg!
 
As an example "As Quiet As Possible"(Pads) in DimPro has an amplitude that increases the longer you sustain the chord. I could live with this sound if only I can figure out how to tame it.  Any suggestions?
2014/05/03 09:32:37
Glyn Barnes
Psalmist35
 
As an example "As Quiet As Possible"(Pads) in DimPro has an amplitude that increases the longer you sustain the chord. I could live with this sound if only I can figure out how to tame it.  Any suggestions?



Unfortunately I only have a minimal installation of X3 on my laptop, so I don't have access to Dim Pro so I can't take a look. 
 
If the sound gets progressively louder that would indicate that at least one of the elements has a very long attack time. I suggest you look at the attack settings for each element and shorten them. Assuming it is a single element with a very long attack you could also try turning that element off.
2014/05/03 09:57:46
bitflipper
Consider sampling the pad from the Triton. Pads are especially easy to sample because you don't need multiple velocity layers, nor do you have to sample every note on the keyboard. You might in fact get away with a single sample.
 
If you had Kontakt that would be a convenience, but not having Kontakt is not a barrier. You could use Cyclone for playback. It's a primitive sample player but up to this particular task.
 
Next time you have access to the Triton, record a few seconds of the pad at different points on the keyboard. Cyclone can handle up to 16 different samples, which should be more than adequate for a pad.
2014/05/03 13:26:41
mumpcake
+1 for sampling the sound. There are a lot of products that will generate sample sets from keyboards.  Sample Robot has this functionality, as does  Extreme Sample Converter.  ESC is the less expensive option, going for EUR 39.
 
Of course, I would recommend converting these into sfz format.  There are a lot of instruments which are free or that you already have that will play these.
 
On the other hand, if you think that Dim Pro patch is close enough it shouldn't be hard to fix.  I won't be on my DAW for a while, but...
 
1.  Each DP patch has up to four elements.  Try turning them off one at a time to narrow where the oscillation is coming from.
2.  Once you have figured out which element is generating the oscillation, you can look at the edit screen for each element.  There should be tabs for controlling the PITCH, CUT, RESO, PAN, AMP.  Under each of these tabs, there is a section on the left for LFO.  There is a Status underneath this.  Turn it to Off.  Repeat this for each tab.
3.  Similarly for each tab there is an envelope graph.  You can turn this off by clicking the Status control, which is on the right under EG to Off.  Or you can click on points on the graph to modify the envelopes.
 
A third thing you can try is Zen by Big Tick.  I haven't tried it yet, but it allows you search for sounds amongst all of the VST plugins you have.
http://www.bigtickaudio.com/zen/about-zen
 
 
2014/05/03 16:02:55
Psalmist35
Guys, thanks for the responses.  I actually did think of sampling the sound.  Then again, I didn't want to have to learn another technique, but it certainly is a consideration.  I will also give DimPro any chance and try tweaking the parameters.
 
Thanks again!!
2014/05/03 21:11:41
bitflipper
Go for it! If you can record a synthesizer you can sample. Figuring out a basic sample player will take about two minutes. At least, for simple samples such as pads and percussion.
 
I've got several of my favorite Yamaha patches in Kontakt format now, and it's a great convenience even though my synth is a foot away rather than in another town. It's given me the ability to combine more than one patch, so for example I've got all my favorite percussion sounds from the synth in one handy Kontakt library.
2014/05/03 21:26:13
scook
A simple free sampler TX16Wx http://www.tx16wx.com/
2014/05/04 00:54:54
yorolpal
Plus...once you've sampled your source you can easily learn the fundamentals of sound design. Honest...it's not that hard to get started. Just ask. We'll help.
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