2014/03/13 04:56:50
craigb
Hey Michael, some weird life stuff has one of my customs headed back to the luthier who made it for now (when he finishes the one he has been making for me I'll get that, plus he sending some cash now so I can buy a car... *Sigh*).  Later on I'll be able to buy the first guitar back (I'm very appreciative of his help).
 
Anyway...  That got me thinking and you're a good one to ask this question of.
 
I think of guitars more like golf clubs than collector items which is why the ones I've had made are all the same neck and body specs (shape, radius, scale, etc.) but with different features.   I think of "collector guitars" as having to have Gibsons, Fenders, PRS', etc. but my approach is a lot more like a bag of matched golf clubs where each has a consistent look and feel with slightly different uses.
 
What I dream about eventually having are several guitars that feel the same when I play them (with all the parts I liked best from the "name" guitars - scale, radius, weight, hardware, etc.).  These would include guitars with humbuckers or single coils, modern high output pups (or active pups), more "classic" lower output pups, with tremolo and without, six string and twelve, then extending down to a B-to-B baritone (I prefer six strings not seven), maybe a bit further down to an E-to-E (Fender Bass VI type) and finally an actual bass (probably five string).  At least six instruments, but it could be eight or more depending.
 
Right now, the customs I've had made have really been over-the-top gorgeous with incredible exotic woods, hardware and inlays.  Overkill for my "needs."  More like art than instrument (not complaining - just saying  ).  The one I sold to Space Cowboy made me nervous to play because I didn't want to damage it - lol!  It was also so heavy that it hurt to play for any length of time (a big reason the next one that's coming is made of Korina).
 
So, my question is this:  What do you think is the least expensive ballpark cost for a custom guitar that simply is made well and plays great?  Obviously there are other variables like what pups and hardware are needed, but I'm just talking about a similar neck (scale and radius, preferably neck-thru) and body style (Gibson double-cut style) on each one.
 
Just to be clear, I'm thinking of along the lines of mahogany for some of the bodies and some of the necks, korina (black limba) for some of the bodies, and maybe maple for the tops and some of the necks (heck, I'm not even sure what the most basic words are!).  Fretboards of ebony or maple.  No inlays, no need for exotic wood accents (or "Master Grade" wood), no extra bindings, no finished backs, no gold hardware, no multi-layer dye jobs (basically nothing that's added just to improve the looks beyond a standard finish).
 
Thanks for any opinions or comments!
 
I'm mainly doing this because I've found that if I can figure out what I want and plant it in my mind, I tend to eventually get it. 
 
 
2014/03/13 05:01:59
craigb
I guess I should note that I realize that scales will lengthen on some of those mentioned (from the baritone thru the bass).  But the feel of the neck and the overall look should be similar.
2014/03/13 07:15:41
spacey
All the best with things Craig.
 
I can't answer your question.
I don't sell guitars and I don't buy custom built so the only things I know are to do with me and each one has been it's own unique trip. I guess that really is what a custom is all about.
 
I'm sure I have advice about building one and/or having one built but even then it wouldn't get you an answer
to the question.
 
Let's imagine you got all the details about the guitar and covered them with a luthier and he gave you a dollar amount to complete...what would you compare that with?
Another luthier giving you a quote on the exact same thing? I don't know but I can't imagine that there is going to be a number or quote that is the same so how can we determine one?
 
I guess one could get numerous quotes-get an average and there's the ballpark figure...something I haven't done.
 
It was a fun question while enjoying my morning coffee...at work...now back to the salt pits.
 
 
 
2014/03/13 13:54:35
craigb
Heh, sounds fair!
 
 
2014/03/13 14:37:15
drewfx1
For a parts guitars, it's not too hard to figure.
 
For fully custom stuff, I'm guessing it's going to be all over the place as spacey said.
 
Other than that, I would think it would be reasonable to look at Carvin for baseline prices.
2014/03/13 14:43:54
craigb
Carvin's used to be extremely reasonable price-wise ($700 - $1,300ish).  I used to work close enough to their factory that we'd go there to hangout during lunch times.  That said, I did not like the feel of their necks, but they were really nice looking instruments.
 
What I'm "pondering" here is how to get what I'm looking for by sacrificing areas that don't contribute to the playability and tone (e.g., lower grade wood, basic finishing, no inlays, etc.).  Best guess is still probably about $2,000 each, but that's a lot less than good customs or overpriced "name" guitars (Gibson wants $9,200 for a signature "Neal Schon" Les Paul model that didn't come close to the features or exotic-ness of any of my customs).
2014/03/13 14:50:40
drewfx1
He's sort of on hiatus, but you can also check here out as there are some prices:
 
http://www.soulmateguitars.com/index.htm
2014/03/13 14:55:04
craigb
That's where the necks for my customs come from (with inlays done by Brian England whose link is on that site).
2014/03/13 14:57:48
spacey
Craig PM me.
2014/03/13 15:04:27
craigb
 The "Gaudy Paul" now owned by Space Cowboy.

Raspberry Twist (Raspberry for the color and Variax guts as the Twist).
 



The Red Rocker - in progress.  This will have two single-coils and a modern humbucker with a Kahler trem.
 
A (poor) PhotoShoped example of the final color:
 

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