Hi Philip,

My equipment and setup are modest...Like most, I'd like to have better, of course.

What I got up to now is mostly figuring out things, being persistent, asking questions, reading posts, and so forth.

I've had many issues in learning on a do-it basis, but so far can't say that connecting to the internet has been one.

In my case, it's connecting to the internet that has helped me in many ways, including learning songs, often by listening to different versions, and often playing along pasts with some of those Youtube videos till I kind of get it.

I don't consider to have any high level on any thing, but it is the nature of my situation that does seem to be that being connected to the web is quite useful..So, I will clarify that connecting to the web while running Sonar is for didactic reasons.

In other words, I'm most often in the learning or experimenting mode,  so that's why I do typically stay connected.

Not to take this thread too far off track, but I'm wondering if anybody else has had trouble identifying the device or service causing the DPC latency problem?  I'm getting a steep DPC latency spike on my WinXP system every 7 seconds like clockwork.  The rest of the time, the latency is very low.  I've gone through the device manager and disabled pretty much every nonessential device from the network adaptor to optical drives, and it didn't make any difference.  I've disabled several obvious services too, and I can't find the culprit. 

Does the regular timing of this spike suggest anything to anyone?  I'm not sure where to look next. 

NoKey, I feel like I'm exactly like you in this regard.

Henkejs: Freeze1st, gave me this Vista/Win7 optimizer info ... which I test drived today only and have had seemingly great results with it.  I'll share the info (at your risk): http://www.snapfiles.com/get/vsoptimizer.html

henkejs


Not to take this thread too far off track, but I'm wondering if anybody else has had trouble identifying the device or service causing the DPC latency problem?  I'm getting a steep DPC latency spike on my WinXP system every 7 seconds like clockwork.  The rest of the time, the latency is very low.  I've gone through the device manager and disabled pretty much every nonessential device from the network adaptor to optical drives, and it didn't make any difference.  I've disabled several obvious services too, and I can't find the culprit. 

Does the regular timing of this spike suggest anything to anyone?  I'm not sure where to look next. 

Excellent question - I asked BitFlipper the same problem of regularly spaced spikes, he said it wasn't really determinable where to specifically find 'em. Although i have already exterminated the regularly spaced spikes with a few more tweaking, but i still get spikes of 1000 that i can't really eradicate whatever i do.

Philip


NoKey, I feel like I'm exactly like you in this regard.

Henkejs: Freeze1st, gave me this Vista/Win7 optimizer info ... which I test drived today only and have had seemingly great results with it.  I'll share the info (at your risk): http://www.snapfiles.com/get/vsoptimizer.html

   I am going to try and take this ideal a step further. I've thought of this for some time but never was sure of a couple of things.

What I am going to do is create a .bat to have Windows changed to where it only loads up my daw and the resources it needs upon startup. I'm not sure if this is going to work or not but we shall see. BTW: I have everything securely backed up just incase.

What I'm going to try is first, I have a backup of the registry keys that execute the programs that start with Vista saved or backed up in a seperate folder, along with a FULL REGISTRY BACKUP.  What I hope to do is have the .bat file using command lines using reg.exe to do the following :

1st : Backup the registry as a second precaution
2nd : Change the registry entry to where the network is shutdown upon reboot
3rd : Remove the startup registry entries from the registry "In other words, no virus protection or nothing will load except windows", there want be a need for protection or any of those other programs that load with my system because I want be connected to a network and the only thing I will be running is my daw and windows.

4th : Import in the registry to where the only thing auto loading with windows startup will be my Daw.
5th : Have it Reboot the computer

If all goes well it will work, I haven't gotten into the driver registry entries yet, I'm just going to try this to see if it's possible.

Hopefully if this works right the .bat file will change everything back when I exit the daw and reboot, or I may have to write another .bat file to correct all this mess.

I used to do something similiar a long time ago with Windows 98, but there's a big difference there, because all I had to do then was have changes made to config.sys and autoexec.bat, mostly just copying and moving different configurations around. You can't do that with Vista it uses a parse setup.

Oh well, I DO NOT RECOMMEND DOING THIS TO ANYONE! But I thought I would mention this to you Philip and see what you think? It should be simple to do. Although the .bat file would change for each system because not everybody has the same programs that load up at startup automatically.

Bobby

Freeze 1st

Philip


NoKey, I feel like I'm exactly like you in this regard.

Henkejs: Freeze1st, gave me this Vista/Win7 optimizer info ... which I test drived today only and have had seemingly great results with it.  I'll share the info (at your risk): http://www.snapfiles.com/get/vsoptimizer.html

  I am going to try and take this ideal a step further. I've thought of this for some time but never was sure of a couple of things.

What I am going to do is create a .bat to have Windows changed to where it only loads up my daw and the resources it needs upon startup. I'm not sure if this is going to work or not but we shall see. BTW: I have everything securely backed up just incase.

What I'm going to try is first, I have a backup of the registry keys that execute the programs that start with Vista saved or backed up in a seperate folder, along with a FULL REGISTRY BACKUP.  What I hope to do is have the .bat file using command lines using reg.exe to do the following :

1st : Backup the registry as a second precaution
2nd : Change the registry entry to where the network is shutdown upon reboot
3rd : Remove the startup registry entries from the registry "In other words, no virus protection or nothing will load except windows", there want be a need for protection or any of those other programs that load with my system because I want be connected to a network and the only thing I will be running is my daw and windows.

4th : Import in the registry to where the only thing auto loading with windows startup will be my Daw.
5th : Have it Reboot the computer

If all goes well it will work, I haven't gotten into the driver registry entries yet, I'm just going to try this to see if it's possible.

Hopefully if this works right the .bat file will change everything back when I exit the daw and reboot, or I may have to write another .bat file to correct all this mess.

I used to do something similiar a long time ago with Windows 98, but there's a big difference there, because all I had to do then was have changes made to config.sys and autoexec.bat, mostly just copying and moving different configurations around. You can't do that with Vista it uses a parse setup.

Oh well, I DO NOT RECOMMEND DOING THIS TO ANYONE! But I thought I would mention this to you Philip and see what you think? It should be simple to do. Although the .bat file would change for each system because not everybody has the same programs that load up at startup automatically.

Bobby

Freeze,
 
I hope I'm not corrupting your hypotheses in any way and I appreciate your precautions if you do this.  Especially after your suggestions have swayed my batch/script programming ideas into vanity ('re-inventing the Vista Services Optimizer wheel).
 
The hypothesis: Launch Sonar straitway as an isolated DAW Vista/Win7 machine (via a batch file(s) and/or other programming) seems perfectly awesome:  I'd hypothesize:
 
1) It should prevent us music-geeks from drifting off into internet wastelands
 
2) It might afford the simplest and/or purest DAW experience to date
 
3) It would be like turning on a Fantom keyboard or vox-pre or guitar amp to let the instrument warm up.
 
4) A savy user (not necessarily a geek) should be able to modify and apply your batch processing into his laptop for that pure DAW experience ... on the road
 
5) It should be do-able ... as others have done similarly for their workstations, games, etc. ... to google their knowledge.
 
6) It should better not frustrate you, as this will doubtlessly take some time to write, re-write, and tweak.
 
7) I suppose your/my computer could even consider to have a 'seperate' dual boot for this (later).  (That may be another nightmare!  We'd stick to your idea 1st)

Philip - Your right, I started to work on this ideal, but I stopped because I realized that instead of spending more time with music as have been my plans as of late, I would be spending endless hours trying to do something that I really don't need to do. My Daw and everything is running fine so I am going to cease on this project.

It's funny that a whole lot of these so called "Tweak programs", a lot of them use more computer processing power just to try and get things right for everyone that they defeat their own purpose. I guess in the end, if it's working don't fix it is probably the best thing.

Although I must say, I am always trying out the latest freeware program tweaks there is if it looks promising or helpful.
I have a pretty good list I think might help others I probably should post of freeware programs.

I ain't no tweak genius or expert, I just know what works for me and read a lot of reviews before I use a program.

Bobby

Excellent, Freeze; I was a bit worried.  I am certain you made the right decision in this instance.  I myself will try to tweak the Vista Services Optimizer and count my blessings.  I confess I have looked a blackviper.com again for ideas (again) to consider for a few snapshot service configs for VSO.  VSO gets about 98% of the Win7/64 services (it misses SmartFetch on my system and finds one other service absent in my system)

You're doing like all of us, 'polishing your act' and trying to 'cover all bases'.  IOWs, your next song should be hearty and great ... filled with guitar tones, etc.

I did a quick search on booting to programs ... and others seemed to state: "Place the (i.e., Sonar.exe) shortcut in the startup folder".  I couldn't find anyone (yet) who tried something similar to your cool idea.  I'm not sure how my dual boot silliness would work either.

Not to take this thread too far off track, but I'm wondering if anybody else has had trouble identifying the device or service causing the DPC latency problem? I'm getting a steep DPC latency spike on my WinXP system every 7 seconds like clockwork.

If you're running XP, use a Microsoft tool called kernrate. For other O/Ss, use xperf. I don't have much experience with the latter, but have used kernrate to successfully identify which driver was responsible for DPC peaks.

bitflipper

If you're running XP, use a Microsoft tool called kernrate. For other O/Ss, use xperf. I don't have much experience with the latter, but have used kernrate to successfully identify which driver was responsible for DPC peaks.

Thanks.  I'll give it a try.