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2015/06/05 00:22:35
lawajava
Out in YouTube land there's a series called Mixing With Mike.

I've recently found that I've enjoyed a couple of the posts I've seen from him.

The one below introduced a new concept to me on headphone mixing.

https://www.youtube.com/w...YQnNOQrx&v=dhs_IpkxmEs

I use the Focusrite VRM box at some points in my mix of a song. It is very useful I think. I also use actual monitors. Even better.

He introduces a plugin called the Redline Monitor.

I hadn't heard of it before, but I see the use for it. It's a new idea for me. Thought I'd share it.
2015/06/05 01:44:53
synkrotron
Interesting, and thanks 
 
I'm a headphone mixer. I do have some nearfield monitors (Tannoy Reveal) but I rarely get the chance to use them nowadays because I have dismantled my little studio.
 
I've always known about this little dilemma, left ear not getting what's coming from the right and visa versa, but feel that most peeps are going to listen to my music on headphones. In fact, I often class my music as "headphone music," because headphones give a better way to "immerse" yourself into a piece that has lots going on across the dynamic range (or sometimes hardly anything at all).
 
Would I use my nearfields if I lived in the middle of nowhere? Or had a totally sound proof room? Well, I probably would. But headphones still have their uses.
 
Of course, that is only my opinion, as this can be a rather subjective topic...
 
Might still be worth checking out that product though, so thanks.
 
cheers
 
andy
 
edit:-
 
£45... Hmmm.......
 
But if you register an interest they give you a sixty day demo, so I think I might sign up for that.
2015/06/05 05:46:24
jerrydf
I'd be interested to know what percentage (in the world) of music is heard through ear-buds from pocket devices these days.
 
["These days" - a phrase that always readily identifies an old geezer in your midst, and that's me].
 
Anyway - I suspect that percentage is high and increasing. Perhaps mixing with ear-buds is the best way to do it, working, of course with your master at 128kb/s mp3, or may be 60kb/s aac.
 
However, my contentious argument is: Using monitors is the best way. You can get good speaker and headphone masters from mixing on monitors; whereas you can't guarantee good speaker masters from headphone mixes.
 
Discuss.
2015/06/05 06:24:27
Karyn
This is quite an interesting discussion (for a nerd like me).
 
Something to think on..
Other than the variance in quality of headphones, everyone listening to your music using headphones will hear exactly the same as you did when you mixed it on headphones.
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But if you're mixing with monitors, the only person who'll ever hear that mix is you. No one else will have the same speakers set in the same place in an identical room and sit in the same place as you to listen.  In fact most people listening on speakers won't be making any effort what-so-ever to be in the correct "space" for speaker listening.  Most will have no choice about speaker positioning (car audio...) and those that do (home stereo system) won't understand the difference between left and right channels..  (HiFi geeks excepted..)
 
But anyone can put on a pair of headphones (even earbuds) and get a pretty good approximation of what you mixed.
2015/06/05 07:38:31
Kamikaze
To get used to a pair headphones I think you should listen to lots of  music on a pair headphones, Not mess with it. If the argument is that so people listen on headphones, I wouldn't waste my time getting used to listening to all music on headphones that is imitating speakers. Maybe use the software as a check, but listen to music on head phones as it was mixed, surely?
 
I'm after a pair of open backed headphones next, AKG or Beyer. Looking forawrd to mixing on somthing different than my closed back Audio Technica. I find in this temperature, the closed back can get clmmy. 
 
I also like headphones for jamming and not worry about how bad my jamming is, and who can hears it. Especially since now I remove the window from my apartment in the day to let more air through.
 
2015/06/05 07:44:27
Karyn
Kamikaze
I also like headphones for jamming and not worry about how bad my jamming is, and who can hears it. Especially since now I remove the window from my apartment in the day to let more air through.

So what you're saying is,  you turn your amp to eleven and use your closed back headphones as ear protection,  with the added advantage that you can't hear anyone complaining despite all the windows being wide open..
 
I like your style
2015/06/05 08:09:36
synkrotron
I'm 55 and I've been listening to most of my music on headphones since my early teens.
 
Just sayin 
2015/06/05 08:17:31
jerrydf
So, Synkrotron, do you use phones for mixing and mastering?
 
 
2015/06/05 08:24:50
Leadfoot
Kamikaze
I'm after a pair of open backed headphones next, AKG or Beyer. Looking forawrd to mixing on somthing different than my closed back Audio Technica.

I love my AKG 240's. I would highly recommend.
2015/06/05 08:47:00
synkrotron
jerrydf
So, Synkrotron, do you use phones for mixing and mastering?
 

 
Hi Jerry,
 
Yes, I do. I used to have a pair of Beyer Dynamic DT-250's but I gave them to my son, for general use, and I now use a pair of KRK Systems KNS-8400 (cost me around £100 so still quite cheap really).
 
Mixing and Mastering though are loose terms because I am not a professional. A pro mastering engineer would spend around ten to twenty grand on both his mastering setup and room treatment. I neither have the money or, more importantly, the ears for true mastering. Which also means I will never use a pro mastering service on any of my creations, it (my music) just isn't worth it.
 
This is my hobby only and primarily I am a composer, and mixing, then mastering comes next, and I do the best I can with the tools I have.
 
Like I said above, if I lived in the middle of nowhere, or had a soundproof room, I probably would use my nearfields for mixing. The Tannoy Reveals though are not the best monitors as the frequency response only goes down to 60Hz. So I would still end up relying on my spectrum analyser and EQ to get rid of sub 50Hz stuff.
 
My "stuff" is available here, if you wish to sample my wares 
 
https://soundcloud.com/synkrotron
 
There's quite a spectrum there of new and old stuff, not so bad and damn right awful... Should give you an idea of what I create using headphones only (would recommend downloading because SoundCloud only streams at 128kbps whereas I upload 320kbps MP3 files).
 
Sorry Jerry... I suppose I could have answered "yes" or "no" 
 
cheers
 
andy
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