Musicians that want to record will and they'll do it with whatever equipment they have.
Those that don't want to record will come up with any reason/excuse under the sun. Yes...it's that simple.
 
 

Hi,

Beepster
I read it three times, Moshie. The most I can draw from it is that you are suggesting musicians go freestyle and become comfortable doing so... which I don't believe anyone here has said is a bad thing.

 
WRONG!
 
I specified that when that happens the communication on the stage is not clear or concise and is haphazard, or maybe I should say, too much on the notes and not enough on the listening to each other and working together.
Rehearsals are just THAT. A rehearsal. You are there to improve the piece, not kill it, and I would be totally STUPID, to suggest that! What would be the point?
 
The furthering of the point, with rehearsals, is that you can take them somewhere else, and this is what I mentioned is the further element of reheasal, that musicians -- specially here -- are not willing, or trusting enough to test and try to see what someone is talking about. This is not just rapping off the top of my head, but musicians, don't believe in rehearsal, at least to the point where stage and film folks do. And this was one of the things that Robert Fripp instituted in King Crimson that a lot of people did not like. But you are not, 40 years later, complaining about the music, are you?
 

Beepster ... However, neither is hammering out parts and getting a good recording together (which you seem to be arguing against).

 
Beep ... that's silly and stupid. Why would I want to do that on any production that I am trying to get a public reaction out of on the stage, film, or music?
 
I'm saying that you should take one rehearsal, for example, and ditch it. This is the upitall and blowitall to hell moment with all the things you have, and in the end, it becomes some fun. You can't plan it. It has to happen instinctively, and it is best when the rehearsals are not coming together. You STOP, and blow it all out in fun and a rave! You add some entertainment to it, and have the drummer pull out the vacuum cleaner and walk through the staging area, and drop the bottle of booze, and what not!
 
A good recording, should NOT BE about the mixer, or the producer, but the willingness of the folks involved. THAT WILL MAKE A GREAT PERFORMANCE if you take that to the stage!
 
It's almost like you are different people when you play, record and then look back at it. There is a time and place for each of them, but for the play/song/movie to come together and be important, 2 of these kinda have to go to sleep or the whole thing will be so convoluted, that it won't be as good or important as it can.
 

Beepster It also makes me wonder... (and don't get me wrong here, I enjoy your oddball posts) what the heck you are doing hanging out on a recording forum if you disagree with the process so much. lol ...

 
I'm a musician at heart. You can tell by the quantity of music I have. However, I went from Portugal to Brazil, when I was 9 and no more music lessons after a teacher smashed my hand with a hard ruler, and in Brazil we could not afford it. Came to America at 15, and the language was different. I still don't work well with it when I end up saying do re mi, and someone goes a b and c. It's scary, confusing, and I have not been able to adapt and my adult life I have had to work 40 hours a week to pay for college (finished paying it 24 years later!!!!), and then become what I am and I have not been able to get into music well, because anytime I need help, there isn't any ... all these computerados and they are bad teachers!
 
The process has PARALLELS, regardless of where you are. Expanding one's abilities and desire, has NOTHING to do with the notes or the scales, it has to do with you, and the person you are getting the suggestions from. If you can take the mirror out, and stop worrying about what that person means, and just try something different, you might ... I said you MIGHT ... not all actorsd (for example) benefit the same way ... gain something from it, but closing it off is stupid! You are closing down any possibility of learning, and that, more often than not, will hurt your musicianship sooner or later.
 
In the end, it's not about me. It's about the actor or the musician on the stage, and I like to ask ... where do you want to be?

ChuckC
I am with you Beepster,  I can rarely follow what seems like acid based rants that he goes on....   I think Moshkaie, that you were trying to insult me in the second paragraph, and if you were sir please feel free to bite me!  You don't know me well enough to make a judgement call.
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What would be the point? Why would I, or anyone waste their time insulting with a post?
 
It was a comment from a directing/rehearsal point of view, and you folks, appear to either be ignoring that side of it, in search for a lost chord in a sea of mud, that you think lies in some magical something or other.
 
it doesn't lie anywhere outside of you!!!!!
And you can answer that with a good director and rehearsal!

cclarry
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In the end...all these methods CAN be effective.
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With music, while there are "rules" per se...they are more "Guidelines" to a creative process,
which really can't be put in a box (the process - not recording "in the box" LOL).

Thank you!
 
I kinda get tired of folks just getting defensive about their knowledge and not backing it up with anything. I discussed a process with rehearsal, and they discuss the left tire of their tricycle! It's hard for me not to be smug, and all they can come back with is why I am not a musician ... some of us are not, were not, as lucky as others! But **** me!

Moshkiae
This is not just rapping off the top of my head, but musicians, don't believe in rehearsal, at least to the point where stage and film folks do. And this was one of the things that Robert Fripp instituted in King Crimson that a lot of people did not like. But you are not, 40 years later, complaining about the music, are you?
 

This is fractally wrong. That is; wrong at every conceivable level of resolution.

Umm... I've spent thousands upon thousands of dollars keeping and maintaining rehearsal rooms for my bands. Far more than I've ever spent on studio time and even my current gear put together. Rehearsal was always very important to me. Spiritual even. I appreciate your passion but damn, dude... that's a big ole pile of weird.
 
And I kind of have to disagree with your assertion that you aren't being insulting. You have called a large cross section of musicians "stupid" for operating in a manner that works for them and implied I was somehow less of a man for finding your original post a little... uh... garbled.
 
However as a lover of all things bizarre this is all quite entertaining to me so I thank you for that. Stay wacky, my friend.

hey Greg-I actually did that last year when a band supposedly"ran out of money"-had drums, rhythm guitar and guide vocal done and some spare time so i overdubbed the rest.
as you suggested they came up with the balance quickly and finished it off.
pity it was crap.
speaking of crap-in the last 15 years I have recorded only 1 or 2 cd`s that I actually like and play and actually sold some copies of.
even with the best talent,equipment and effort,recording is only the entree in this game and some of the stuff I have is priceless but unfortunately only to me and the artist.
 
ps:Moshkiae-you are a platinum member and obviously know the film and stage industry well-do you actually use Sonar or another program?.
nothing in your sig and no posts regarding the mechanics of Sonar.you should man up and put some of your work up (recorded in Sonar please)on the Songs Forum so that the rest of us can determine if you are just a wanker or not.
this is a recording sub forum and if I want to learn or discuss film or stage I will go to those forums.
actually-because this is a recording software forum-all posters should register a song,no matter how bad, on the Songs forum and gain a status(Actual User)or whatever and maybe some Reward points from there -this would sort the users from the abusers,maybe

+1 Webbs Hill, I agree.  That would be cool if everyone had to put up or kinda shut up so to speak....    
   I wasn't trying to be argumentative with the guy.  I like that there is very little needless insulting comments thrown around on this forum as opposed to many others (GS is horrible for that).  Maybe it is the language barrier thing that makes his posts come off so weird and garbled?    IF so, I kinda wish I could better determine whatever the hell it is he is trying to convey.  He is certainly opinionated but the messages just aren't getting through.

what`s interesting is that Moshkiae (aka Pedro Sena Nunes) appears to be a successful and respected film director and author and as such I can only guess there aren`t any similar forums in his profession for him to elucidate all over, although why he picked Sonar is the real question here.
cheers
tony

I know I am getting emotionally involved again but when things annoy me I try to vent them and move on
 
" This is not just rapping off the top of my head, but musicians, don't believe in rehearsal, at least to the point where stage and film folks do."
 
CRAP-you admit you are not a musician so how would you know and I am personally offended that the years and years i spent in crappy rooms refining my art were,according to you,wasted.
 
"It's hard for me not to be smug, and all they can come back with is why I am not a musician ... some of us are not, were not, as lucky as others! But **** me!"
 
but thats the whole issue here-
once again-what are you doing here advising musicians and producers-which software do you use-surely you would get more kudos and maybe friends if you stick to what you do best.
ps:there are prominent posters here who do not use Sonar-it`s a personal decision-a wav is a wav no matter how you create it?
once again-Pedro,do you use any recording software?