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2014/02/18 14:10:34
rontarrant
57Gregy
If I was in your situation, I'd record all the songs by myself and pass the finished disks on to the other band members as 'our new CD'.
It probably wouldn't be long before one or more of them would want to re-record their parts because what I recorded was &*%#&^.

There ya go! A proactive approach.
2014/02/18 14:56:12
Beepster
jamesg1213
 
I can't help wondering what kind of reaction I'd get on an acting forum if I started telling people they should try ''acting this line like you're Buddy Holly'' and ''now try it like you're playing a Fender Precision''...all the while admitting I don't do any acting myself.




As someone who worked as a grunt in a film company for many years I can confidently say the response would not be nearly as polite as it has been here. Don't get me wrong... I made a lot of good friends in the film industry but they certainly have some... uh... interesting personalities. The descriptors cranky, high strung and arrogant come to mind. Nice enough people once you get past that crap but it's a little jarring at first as an outsider.
2014/02/18 15:01:36
Starise
I could pretty much sum up my very limited experience with playing in bands as "friction".
 
I'm glad many others never had this kind of friction. I seemed to always get into the worst mixes people wise.
 
I think about it and I don't miss it. Most recently I was in a group and we were doing others music. It fell apart just like everything else I've mostly ever been involved with when it comes to something called a "band". Money never was involved for me. We did it for fun only it wasn't fun to me. Lets face it, people are untrustworthy, self centered, unthoughtful and lazy.....should I go on? Let me re qualify that statement.... some people are like that not all, only the ones I seemed to fall in with. I never seemed to jibe with the right people, heck maybe it was me. If so I'll take the responsibility. One of the guys called me the other day and I said I might make a search for a new drummer. I blindly keep thinking that maybe THIS TIME it will be different and every time I get bit in the behind....again. For me the return on investment has been bad, really bad. Maybe I'll learn this time or maybe It might actually start to grow something.
 
Just the thought of working those kind of dynamics again makes me run the other way fast.
 
Chuck I hand it to you for trying to work through the mess and there always seems to be some kind of mess doesn't there?
 
2014/02/19 07:40:43
ChuckC
Thanks Starise,
  I am trying, but between the fact that our music is going in a direction further from where I want to go, the way my input on the music is often over looked lately, and this new friction on recording... I think I am just about done with this project.
2014/02/19 17:23:26
webbs hill studio
sounds like time to start over again.
this time make it your band.do the recruiting and establish the genre you want.
Bands can be like girlfriends-keep looking to find what you want and don`t compromise anymore.
it shouldn`t be hard to find quality musos,especially when you have your own Pro studio.
after all,recording should be the reward for all the rehearsals and support gigs suffered and to be in a band with their own studio is as ideal as it gets.
cheers 
2014/02/22 20:47:38
overkiller
Sounds like you're done with the project.  If you want to record and your bandmates don't, then that's a fundamental difference. 
 
The recording process is a lot of effort and can be difficult.  There are some musicians that just don't want to bother with the effort.  I've been in bands where the recording process ground the whole band to a halt.  It takes a lot of momentum away from the "band" creative process unless you're recording the whole band. 
 
Whatever you do, make sure everyone is on the same page.
2014/02/23 11:15:01
Moshkiae
webbs hill studio
apparently most people prefer them shaved rather than the full pelt anyway.
am guessing it would be difficult to wax a sheep?



BTW, if you pay attention and learn something, you would have known that you are looking at the wrong person on the internet. My posts do list the website, in case you are blind!
2014/02/23 11:36:18
Moshkiae
jamesg1213 ...
What you keep referring to as a 'director', is a record producer. Believe or not, we ALL know what they do, and how much (or how little) they can bring to a recording session.
...

 
A producer can call "shots" a lot better and easier than a director. So, if you look at film, a producer is not the director.
 
Normally a director's job is to center, and bring together all the different details and people within the production. NOT ALL BANDS need this, if one person is more in charge of it all, than the rest that just follow along, or simply do not have the ability to see beyond what they play as well as the other person can!
 
What YOU don't want, with a "director" is someone telling you what to do. I NEVER EVER EVER told an actor or actress how to say their lines, just like I would not tell you how to play your part in the song, but you are not giving me credit for helping you be better placed on the stage, so you are more visible, and your interplay is not lost on the audience. FILM hides this, because the camera moves. THEATER can't hide this, thus the directing has to be intelligent and detailed to ensure that you present what you have in the clearest and best way possible. And of course, rock videos, distorted this so badly that the music became secondary, and the filming stupid and actually hid the musicians and their work for the most part. Live concert footage is a perfect example. Totally stupid and not centered, and one of the few great examples is one of the few well known rock concerts in history, that had folks like Mr. Scorcese on a camera, and he became a master director visually because of it. It took an "eye" that could see, to help the music become a monster. But you don't see that. It was the eye of a "director" in the making, more than one actually!
 
In music, with a band, there is a lot that can be done in between these 2 examples, and that a person sitting on the best seat in the house can help you with, but your presentation (doesn't have to be any different in recording or music design and definition!) does not necessarily get better or worse. But, in general, it DOES get clearer and has better visibility.
 
Rock music, has gotten to the point where all the folks think they know it all, and do not believe in anything except their kocks! This is not to say that you can not learn something, and find out that a different approach is actually nice and helpful, and will help in the end, when you go to record, because you HAVE IT DEFINED even better, and there is no need for anyone to question or not understand what is going on.
 
What you are doing, and perhaps saying, is that you want your folks to play what you tell them to play and shut up, because you want this and that. In the end, why bother with people? There are plenty of software that can do this for you, and you can define it all for yourself.
 
A director is a helper. An outside the box set of eyes, in this case EARS, to help. Your idea that any of us would be there to change you or the music is really bizarre, and weird!
 
My feeling was, on the original post, that the guy was not ready for the big finish, and still had doubts. Those doubts will not be revealed/resolved in the studio or in the finish product, unless you are lucky and end up letting go a small detail, that you do not feel is important. All of it is important, regardless of what it is.
2014/02/23 16:05:30
craigb
But what if more cowbell is required?
2014/02/23 16:21:39
jamesg1213
craigb
But what if more cowbell is required?




Whaddya mean, 'if'?
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