2014/02/18 15:05:40
Starise
Yeah I think most have said similar things. I end up thanking people for being people sometimes lol.
2014/02/18 15:31:57
Rain
There was a short adjustment period when we first came to live in the US.
 
If you make eye contact with someone or if you share an elevator or something, they acknowledge and say "Hi". Sometimes I'll be on my way to the mailbox and a neighbour I've never encountered before will roll by in car and wave.
 
Back in Quebec, unless you actually know someone, people generally just turn their eyes and ignore each other. You just don't talk to people you don't know and you usually do as much as you can not to have to bend that rule. In spite of how warm and welcoming we've been brainwashed to believe we were as a nation...
 
Also, took us a few times to realize that "how are you?" was used interchangeably with "hi" - I'm still not entirely comfortable with that one, tbh...
2014/02/18 15:41:03
bapu
Rain
There was a short adjustment period when we first came to live in the US.
 
If you make eye contact with someone or if you share an elevator or something, they acknowledge and say "Hi". Sometimes I'll be on my way to the mailbox and a neighbour I've never encountered before will roll by in car and wave.
 
Back in Quebec, unless you actually know someone, people generally just turn their eyes and ignore each other. You just don't talk to people you don't know and you usually do as much as you can not to have to bend that rule. In spite of how warm and welcoming we've been brainwashed to believe we were as a nation...
 
Also, took us a few times to realize that "how are you?" was used interchangeably with "hi" - I'm still not entirely comfortable with that one, tbh...


"how are you?"
"miserable"
 
Try that once in a while just to see if you get a "that's great" response.
2014/02/18 16:10:42
Beepster
Rain
There was a short adjustment period when we first came to live in the US.
 
If you make eye contact with someone or if you share an elevator or something, they acknowledge and say "Hi". Sometimes I'll be on my way to the mailbox and a neighbour I've never encountered before will roll by in car and wave.
 
Back in Quebec, unless you actually know someone, people generally just turn their eyes and ignore each other. You just don't talk to people you don't know and you usually do as much as you can not to have to bend that rule. In spite of how warm and welcoming we've been brainwashed to believe we were as a nation...
 
Also, took us a few times to realize that "how are you?" was used interchangeably with "hi" - I'm still not entirely comfortable with that one, tbh...




Yeah... Canadians aren't nearly as polite as we are made out to be. When I visited notoriously "rude" NYC people were tripping over themselves to help me and my travel partner out when they found out we were visiting. Like standing on a street corner looking at a map and people would come up and offer directions, tons of people smiling and saying hello, etc. It was a little freaky. I mean there were certainly some not so nice looking people who'd give us the stink eye but far less than I expect in major Canadian cities. I try to be nice and polite in general but it made even me feel like a jerk.
 
Pretty weird.
2014/02/18 16:42:47
webbs hill studio
this says a lot about how we live now.
growing up in a small country town you knew everyone and a stranger was just that and would be asked "who are you and what are you doing here"
apparently we can recognise and identify around 150 faces,possibly because that was the ideal size for an agrarian community which is obviously a skill that is pointless in the big city.
now we have 150 contacts in our Fakebook account,some of whom we have never met??
 
the funny thing I found when on the road,particularly in the US was that until you said something you were just another face.
once people heard the accent though they went out of their way to be helpful and most were so proud to show off their piece of America and were chuffed that you had come all the way to see them.
I admit using the occasional "G`day mate" got me out of some sticky situations.
smiling at strangers is great fun-their involuntary return smile can be hilarious.
cheers
 
2014/02/18 16:44:20
Rain
Beepster
 
Yeah... Canadians aren't nearly as polite as we are made out to be. When I visited notoriously "rude" NYC people were tripping over themselves to help me and my travel partner out when they found out we were visiting. Like standing on a street corner looking at a map and people would come up and offer directions, tons of people smiling and saying hello, etc. It was a little freaky. I mean there were certainly some not so nice looking people who'd give us the stink eye but far less than I expect in major Canadian cities. I try to be nice and polite in general but it made even me feel like a jerk.
 
Pretty weird.




I wasn't sure about the rest of Canada, but it was quite a reality check to travel a bit and even more so to move to the US.
 
I remember the first time a NY bus driver mentioned to us that he'd been to Quebec and he hadn't been particularly well received. We had a hard time believing that and we figured out that he'd been unlucky. But then I spoke with more and more people, and with friends from Quebec who work here in hotels and restaurants in Vegas and eventually, we realized that this wasn't an exception, quite the opposite.
 
But you can't tell that to people from Quebec - if you question anything or suggest looking at things with a bit of perspective, or if you try to get over that us vs them paradigm that's poisoning them, you're a traitor. 
 
I hope I never have to move back there. Should we have to leave the US and go back to Canada, we'd probably opt for BC.
 
2014/02/18 17:18:17
Beepster
Well... I guess I totally glossed over the East coast Canadians. I was only there briefly but good lord are they ultra polite. Like to the point it was almost creepy. I remember multiple times in small town New Brunswick having cars come to a complete stop to let me cross the road, not at intersection, and I wasn't even trying to cross! Just standing there or walking a little slow and they'd stop and wave me across. I asked some of the locals and they said that's just how things are there.
 
As far as Quebec... I love Quebec but definitely rudesville. Especially to non frenchies. Fortunately although my french is horrible I am actually french for the most part and because of my family I have next to no anglo accent when speaking it. It's kind of funny because I'll generally try to begin convos there in french to avoid the judgments but I really do suck at French so I end up making the people think I'm crazy or mentally deficient until they realize that my first language is English. Just making the effort though seems to make them more willing to help or speak English. Many of my purely anglo friends will have people outright refuse to speak to them in English even though the person knows English perfectly well. Even an anglo accent is enough to get treated like crap.
 
Still I love it. Lots of fun, cheap food and hot wacky women. Don't think I could live there though. Just a little TOO much joi de vive. I'd probably be dead within a year.
2014/02/18 17:30:09
bitflipper
Try walking around someplace where you really stand out, like being the only white guy for a hundred miles, the only one with facial hair and standing a foot taller than almost everyone else. No problem with others remembering my face. It takes some getting used to. When I first came here, back in 1992, I literally drew crowds. Some were actually considering robbing me  and discussing it out loud (this discovered later when we reviewed videotape I'd been shooting).
 
Now, 22 years later, I am still a novelty around here. Strangers still regard me with reserve, but a smile and a "good morning" is always returned, and from then on they'll initiate the greeting themselves. At first, I only acknowledged the older folks, but I've learned that kids and teenagers love to be recognized too. And now I know enough of their language to tell if they're considering robbing me. 
 
As for cringeworthy responses, I'm sure I commit several of them every day here but am not fluent enough to know when. Just saying "salamat po" (thank you sir/ma'm) in the wrong context is something I do all the time. At home, I say "thank you, sir" to the 7-11 clerk when I buy a coffee. He's from Pakistan and thinks it odd, but he always greets me with a grin when I walk in. In many other cultures, a formal thanks to a waiter or store clerk might actually be considered offensive due to the presumption that you're being sarcastic or disingenuous.
 
As for the famous politeness of Canadians, I have seen no evidence of that being entirely mythological. Quite the contrary, I have experienced friendliness - sometimes extreme friendliness (if you traveling musicians catch my drift) - all across the country from Vancouver to PEI.
 
Burglary, however, is apparently not considered impolite in Canada. It's where I had my car broken into. And one fellow came up to me at a gig and asked "what's that thing?", pointing to our mixer. I said "it's called a mixer", to which he replied "you want one?".
 
 
 
2014/02/18 17:32:39
bapu
bitflipper
Burglary, however, is apparently not considered impolite in Canada. It's where I had my car broken into. And one fellow came up to me at a gig and asked "what's that thing?", pointing to our mixer. I said "it's called a mixer", to which he replied "you want one?".

Was that the one that was stolen from your car?
2014/02/18 17:55:33
Rain
Beepster
Well... I guess I totally glossed over the East coast Canadians. I was only there briefly but good lord are they ultra polite. Like to the point it was almost creepy. I remember multiple times in small town New Brunswick having cars come to a complete stop to let me cross the road, not at intersection, and I wasn't even trying to cross! Just standing there or walking a little slow and they'd stop and wave me across. I asked some of the locals and they said that's just how things are there.
 
As far as Quebec... I love Quebec but definitely rudesville. Especially to non frenchies. Fortunately although my french is horrible I am actually french for the most part and because of my family I have next to no anglo accent when speaking it. It's kind of funny because I'll generally try to begin convos there in french to avoid the judgments but I really do suck at French so I end up making the people think I'm crazy or mentally deficient until they realize that my first language is English. Just making the effort though seems to make them more willing to help or speak English. Many of my purely anglo friends will have people outright refuse to speak to them in English even though the person knows English perfectly well. Even an anglo accent is enough to get treated like crap.
 
Still I love it. Lots of fun, cheap food and hot wacky women. Don't think I could live there though. Just a little TOO much joi de vive. I'd probably be dead within a year.




Trying to speak French will often smooth things up with some people. But there is something so absolutely unhealthy about the situation there. For me, a language is, first and foremost, a tool that I use to communicate - if it alienates me, it fails to meet its primary goal.

Simply enunciating that makes me a traitor. It's actually quite sad to see a people so obsessed with collective emancipation as a nation so quick to condemn emancipation on an individual level.
 
Speaking with some of the most vocal ones, what it boils down to is that they don't want to be assimilated and forced to speak English. Which I can understand.
 
OTOH, the most vocal ones - the ones who make it a question of identity and culture - are most often the ones with the worst command of the French language (written and spoken) and, more often than not, people who never read a book and know next to nothing of their so-called culture. 


If you tell them that they have every right not to learn english but that it may end up being disadvantageous, they don't want to hear about it. That's where the socialist/communist mentality comes in - they want the government to ensure that no matter how global things get, the structures will be there to make sure that someone who speaks French only will always have equal opportunity. Even in a global and highly competitive market.
 
Which is totally unrealistic and immature. But they can't see past that grudge they hold.
 
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