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2015/06/03 19:11:50
sharke
codamedia
sharke
It's worth knowing that Donald Fagen - one of the greatest songwriters of all time - uses BIAB these days for composing and arranging and communicating his song structures to band members. That's a pretty solid endorsement.



I'd say so.... do you have a link that can back that up at all?
 
That alone would make me revisit BIAB. The last version I owned was back in the late 90's.... it's not very good and actually stifles creativity with bad patterns. (the concept was great though...)


Can't find it unfortunately - I did think I had read it in an online article or interview, but come to think of it he may have mentioned it in his book Eminent Hipsters. But I am absolutely 100% sure that I read it. He was talking about how the tracks came together for Sunken Condos.
2015/06/04 00:39:37
czyky
One process I try to stay open to is mistakes. As in, playing out a chord progression and messing up, but liking the mess up. I quickly jot down what I did (wrong) for playing around with in a couple of minutes. Or sometimes, if I'm recording, I'll grab the errant clip and stash it way at the end of the timeline. Actually, I've started to dragging clips right off to a folder in the browser. This is a new way of working, don't recall exactly when Sonar started supporting it, so I'm trying to work it into my routine.
 
Reading about the successes with BiaB above made me give it a look-see, that process sounded neat and fast. But after a while I realized I wouldn't be making mistakes, wouldn't be "close enough" to the notes (fingers on keys or strings or holes or skins), so that route won't fly for me. I don't want fast that bad.
 
I've dabbled with the matrix view. Kind of like it sometimes. I can use some of those clips I've dragged off (mentioned above) and mash them together. I don't view matrix as an end product. Well, mostly. But it's a fun creative.
 
Related to matrix, a trick I've found for playing around is to drag a clip into an empty Dim Pro instance. Then I can instantly transpose it, from the keyboard or from Matrix view. I'm using DP as a sampler, and I know there are better, but it's right there and it works.
 
I do a lot of extended jamming to get ideas, sessions lasting from ten to 30 minutes. Sometimes they're fun, sometimes they're pure drudgery, but a writing teacher told me once to "write every day, even if it's crap" and that has worked for me. (It's a funny thing, I can look back at these jams and see "periods" in my life. Funny or creepy, sort of like Krapp's Last Tape.) One thing I've learned, or--more like it--come to terms with over the years is to jam to a click (metronome). I know, I know, I hate it sometimes too. But I've found that an idea set to a "legitimate" beat is way easier to transpose to a piece than one that floats around. So the steady ideas get worked on and move forward, while the ethereal ideas just sort of stay that way and take up drive space. I jam to a click, it's a trade-off.
 
One more idea (for today at least). When I "sandbox" or improvise or jam or whatever, I typically use two or three soft synths at a time (controlled by one keyboard or the midi guitar), to get a BIG sound. Well, maybe not only big, just a lot of frequency, lows, highs, breathy, choppy, ethereal (_that_ word again), cinematic, whatever. It's like hearing an orchestra (in a vague new-age-y sense) and I think it helps the juices of creativity. Sometimes I use reverb, sometimes not. No reverb encourages faster articulation, I find, and different results.
2015/06/07 08:28:58
Guitarhacker
notscruffy1
OK Guitarhacker, for some reason I said why not and have purchased Band In A Box Everything Pak. The good news is they (PG Music) honor sale prices from valid vendors and sold me the pak for 349 us.  that was a savings from 569. The price I sent a link to for them to honor was download only with no HD. They are sending an HD and download code any way, because they are Canadian and they are all so nice up there.
 
This is all your fault. However it works out.
 
amk


You will wonder how you ever got along without it.
 
 
Also.... in another post... BIAB is definitely on the radar but not given up on SONAR yet.   Don't give up on Sonar..... it's a critical final step in my work process. Compose in BB..... render waves in RB..... mix in X1
2015/06/07 19:17:13
sharke
Well it turns out I was talking bollocks about Donald Fagan and BIAB. Turns out he actually uses GarageBand to sketch out and arrange ideas! I guess somewhere down the line my brain sneakily changed the memory to Band In A Box. 
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