2013/11/05 09:00:33
Dave Modisette
Automatic Delay Compensation, is that an issue that PT11 are dealing with?  What kind of strategy are you using for real time playback with effects?  Other than softsynths, I don't necessarily use plugins when I am recording.  I prefer to track first, see if I have a complete song and then add effects after I have all my parts in place.  Of course, that doesn't mean there aren't the occasional exception.
2013/11/05 20:45:38
J-A-G
Mod Bod
Automatic Delay Compensation, is that an issue that PT11 are dealing with?  What kind of strategy are you using for real time playback with effects?  Other than softsynths, I don't necessarily use plugins when I am recording.  I prefer to track first, see if I have a complete song and then add effects after I have all my parts in place.  Of course, that doesn't mean there aren't the occasional exception.


 
I never used plugins when I was recording in Sonar. Only after the fact when mixing and mastering. Since Pro Tools is all new to me there is a bit a learning curve for me so I do not have all of the answers. All I have been doing is watching videos on Pro Tools 11 and 10 to get a grasp of the differences.
Your question...
In Pro Tools 10 I found that there is a setting under Setup "Playback Engine " called Delay Compensation Engine. There are four different values you can use. None, Short, Long, and Maximum. Samples per channels depend on the session sample rate. In Pro Tools 11 there is a feature called Delay Compensation which you can check or uncheck. When checked it is set to the maximum value that was an option in PT10. You can not change it but there should be no reason to.
 
 
These videos may help. PT11 seems to have it all. They took older Pro Tools and did a complete rewrite for PT11.  
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBP1UF46k6c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpcXwLMg0Kw
 
I also saw a video that would address your other question in regard to Audio Snap features in PT11. If I find it I'll post here. PT11 seems to have come a long way with the rewrite. Remember it is 64Bit AAX only.
2013/11/06 10:27:17
Dave Modisette
Thanks for the reply.  From what I understand, the ADC is set at 1024 buffers for playback but you can have lower buffer settings for tracks you are recording and monitoring real time.  That seems to be similar to the set up that Samplitude Pro X has. 

We work alike in that I also don't use plugins while recording with the exception of soft synths that are being recorded real time.  If I had an arsenal of vintage hardware synths, I would use them instead.
2013/11/07 14:14:29
MachineClaw
Looked in this thread and nobody has mentioned it....
 
Eleven Rack (11R) Editor only works in Pro Tools 10 - which apparently comes in this deal , but 11R editor does NOT work in Pro Tools 11.  PT 10 and PT 11 can apparently live on the same machine so maybe it is not a really big issue however you would have to have both versions installed and that's a lot of HD space.
 
After reading a ton of forums, blogs etc it appears that the 11R team at Avid are no longer employed or working there.  Reading the Avid 11R forum people love the hardware but lack of support, software updates is miffing a lot of people.
 
The 11R seems like a very good hardware device, bunch of features I would like to have and I thought about this deal a lot.
 
I'm torn about the 11R.  really really like the features but am looking at Boss GT-100 or Line 6 POD HD.
 
I of course cannot figure out easily if my computer hardware is Pro Tools compatible either.  So I don't even know if the Pro Tools software would install or run on my box (i7 3.5ghz, 16g ram, Firewire Saffire Pro 24 interface).
 
on the surface this seems like a killer deal to get a 11R and Pro Tools - but now I'm not really sure.
 
(maybe I should just go buy a Axe-FX rig  hahahaha yeah like I should really do THAT!).
2013/11/07 17:48:52
J-A-G
MachineClaw
Looked in this thread and nobody has mentioned it....
 
Eleven Rack (11R) Editor only works in Pro Tools 10 - which apparently comes in this deal , but 11R editor does NOT work in Pro Tools 11.  PT 10 and PT 11 can apparently live on the same machine so maybe it is not a really big issue however you would have to have both versions installed and that's a lot of HD space.
 
After reading a ton of forums, blogs etc it appears that the 11R team at Avid are no longer employed or working there.  Reading the Avid 11R forum people love the hardware but lack of support, software updates is miffing a lot of people.
 
The 11R seems like a very good hardware device, bunch of features I would like to have and I thought about this deal a lot.
 
I'm torn about the 11R.  really really like the features but am looking at Boss GT-100 or Line 6 POD HD.
 
I of course cannot figure out easily if my computer hardware is Pro Tools compatible either.  So I don't even know if the Pro Tools software would install or run on my box (i7 3.5ghz, 16g ram, Firewire Saffire Pro 24 interface).
 
on the surface this seems like a killer deal to get a 11R and Pro Tools - but now I'm not really sure.
 
(maybe I should just go buy a Axe-FX rig  hahahaha yeah like I should really do THAT!).


Eleven Rack does work in Pro Tools 11 but not in the same way that it does in PT10. Meaning that you will not get the GUI that you see in PT10 with the rack and effects setup (Like Guitar Rig). You can still use the Eleven Rack in PT11 there is a mini window for it and you can set up all amps/effects etc. directly from the hardware itself.
 
Lucky for me HDD space is not an issue.
 
I spoke to Avid support and they said that they would be updating PT11 at some point. Check out these videos if you want so see what I am talking about. Watch in order though. It will show Pro Tools 11 with Eleven Rack set up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdfuoQRVyGs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dl0pFgkRyE
 
 
2013/11/07 19:49:36
SuperG
I get the impression that Eleven Rack was a completely outsourced design, like so many gear manufacturer's these days. I could be wrong, though...
 
The problem with outsourced designs seems to be the product design sub-contractors come and go - ala Frontier Design... along with support.
2013/11/07 23:43:57
MachineClaw
welp I went to Guitar Center tonight and talked with my friend and the manager.
 
open box eleven rack + Pro Tools.  last one they carried in store.  I could not pass it up, cheaper cause it was no return open box floor demo.  still under full avid warrantee and everything in the box.
 
plus the eleven rack came with latest firmware upgrade and the eleven rack expansion which is $99 extra on avid site.
 
I only had about an hour to play with the eleven rack tonight.  WOW.  dead simple easy to use and the sound is really really good.  much better sound than I have been able to get from Amp3, guitar rig 5 or the Line 6 in Reason 7.
 
I have no idea if Pro Tools will work on my rig but I will find out this weekend when I have time to install and play more.
 
really is a great deal just to get the eleven rack.
 
Sonar X3 Pro is still my DAW but more toys is mo toys.
2013/11/08 05:07:24
mudgel
I bought into Pro tools with version 9 when they finally broke the connection to Avid only hardware. I've learnt it during what I call the Sonar X1 debacle. Also got into Presonus Studio One at that time and had been using Reaper since it's early days.

Different Daws have different strengths and weaknesses. Bend 'em to your will as you need. I'm back to feeling good about Sonar again with X3 but I'll never be a one Daw user. I'll have my main daw which is Sonar but I don't hesitate to use the strengths of another if needed.
2013/11/08 12:41:56
J-A-G
mudgel
I bought into Pro tools with version 9 when they finally broke the connection to Avid only hardware. I've learnt it during what I call the Sonar X1 debacle. Also got into Presonus Studio One at that time and had been using Reaper since it's early days.

Different Daws have different strengths and weaknesses. Bend 'em to your will as you need. I'm back to feeling good about Sonar again with X3 but I'll never be a one Daw user. I'll have my main daw which is Sonar but I don't hesitate to use the strengths of another if needed.

Agreed...I see such big differences in both DAWs PT and Sonar.
It seems that Sonar has made certain things easier to do (Much better Windows DAW from day one) and it feels like I am taking a step backward in how they do it in PT (An Apple DAW from day one). I am finding that they both have their strength’s. I am a Windows user to heart.
  
2013/11/17 19:00:56
Dave Modisette
Yeah, after a short evaluation of PT11, I've decided to add it to my current tools.  It's got a nice Organ plugin as well as several other instrument plugins that are very nice.  My Toontrack products are all ported to AAX and they were picked up by PT11 immediately and were accessible.  My Wave plugins required a repair install to add the AAX Waveshell and that was fairly painless.

My UAD-2 and my Slate Digital plugins have not been updated as of yet but both companies indicate that they are heading that way.

PT11 doesn't seem to be so convoluted as it was the first time I looked at it and rejected it.  It seems like they still force you to do things a particular way though.   One way in and one way out sort of thing, I would describe it.  It's reminds me of when I was learning to program in Cobol after more or less teaching myself how to write spaghetti code in Quickbasic.  Forced discipline is always a pain to us creative types.
 
The Eleven Rack appears to be a nice amp simulator.   I have a Pod HD500 and I'd like to sell that and get back some floor space.  

I may use it a lot or I may use it only when a client project requires it.  Looks like a good purchase for me.
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