2014/02/06 11:20:47
spacey
if electric guitarist around here deal with string tension and in what ways?
 
 
 
Sorry....or electric bassistzzz.
2014/02/06 11:29:48
drewfx1
What do you mean "deal with"?
2014/02/06 11:38:07
spacey
Now that's a great question.
 
String gauges...I imagine more guitarist may due to tunings.
String angles...scale length preferences and str gauges due to...
I could go on and on....metals, energy-such as unbalanced/balanced output due to no independant pole adj. etc.
 
Maybe for you-because I think you have a bass with a drop tune...do you notice, like or not like what happens when the tension drops from dropping the pitch? Did you go to a larger gauge because of it? Do you track the tension of different strings or do you play the same set on all your basses? Do you have different scale length basses and have found different gauges/tension work better?
Do you build custom sets to achieve a volume output that you hear as "better"?
 
I'll stop...I know you get my drift now.
2014/02/06 11:45:28
Randy P
I've never used alternate tunings myself. I've used the same type of strings for over 25 years. GHS Boomers .009's. I use them on every electric I have (7). It's just what I'm used to and what works. They stay in tune and last fairly long if I keep them clean after a session.
 
Randy
2014/02/06 11:59:24
spacey
Randy I believe that many guitarist share your position.
 
It's not all about "tunings". For example....a player on a short scale Gibson may find it to sloppy or to easy to play out of tune so increases the string gauge (add tension). 
Someone that likes to play Drop D may have found that a .052 rather than the .046 normally used worked out better...balanced out the tension at a lower pitch...for example.
 
Maybe string angle after the bridge or nut solved a problem...just wondered what players had run into.
2014/02/06 12:15:52
drewfx1
Well, on bass I tend to like higher tension, especially on my low E, so I use a .110 there. That gives me both the huge low E I crave and doesn't get floppy with a D.
 
On guitar, I either mostly use LTHB (RH in Fender parlance) .010 - .052, or increasingly I use .011's on some of the 24.75" scale instruments.
 
I don't like either the sound or feel of lighter gauges. And higher tension also equals more stable tuning.
 
 
I don't worry too much about the equal tension across the strings (like D'Addario has been marketing lately), but I do look into tensions if I'm contemplating doing something unusual to make sure it won't be crazy high or low:
 
tension=(frequency*(2*Length))^2 * linear density
 
 
And I don't worry about it in terms of the length of the non-speaking part of the string in terms of bending and feel and whatnot.
2014/02/06 12:40:17
spacey
 
I've been aware of D'Addario's trip.
 
So you do increase (some strings gauge) for the short-scale Gibson.
 
I know that Hendrix used a lot lighter gauge than most would imagine but his guitar also had an "odd" set (in that there are no sets I'm aware of) that had a closer range G string to the second string to lower the volume.
With a humbucker one can adjust the poles for such needs but not so with most single coils. With them I guess string gauge is the move.
 
If "higher tension equals more stable tuning" then it would stand to reason that all 25.5 scale lengths hold tuning better than 24.75, strings being the same...not sure I buy into that.
 
I don't "worry" or get concerned about "equal" tension or tension unless there is an issue I want to address. If so, it's something I will consider.
2014/02/06 12:51:53
jamesg1213
spacey
Randy I believe that many guitarist share your position.
 




Ernie Ball 'Super Slinkys' (9-42)for me, the past 3 decades.
2014/02/06 12:58:25
drewfx1
spacey
So you do increase (some strings gauge) for the short-scale Gibson.
 

 
Sort of a recent thing after I played my Epi Joe Pass jazz box a while back and realized that one of the reasons I was enjoying it was it had 11's. So I decided to try them on some of the others.
 

If "higher tension equals more stable tuning" then it would stand to reason that all 25.5 scale lengths hold tuning better than 24.75, strings being the same...not sure I buy into that.
 



The difference between 24.75" and 25.5" is only ~1lbs. The difference between a .009 and a .011 is several pounds. And a bass has typically tens of pounds more tension. 
 
Consider how that relates to any points of friction involved.
2014/02/06 13:25:50
spacey
drewfx1
spacey
So you do increase (some strings gauge) for the short-scale Gibson.
 

 
Sort of a recent thing after I played my Epi Joe Pass jazz box a while back and realized that one of the reasons I was enjoying it was it had 11's. So I decided to try them on some of the others.
 

If "higher tension equals more stable tuning" then it would stand to reason that all 25.5 scale lengths hold tuning better than 24.75, strings being the same...not sure I buy into that.
 



The difference between 24.75" and 25.5" is only ~1lbs. The difference between a .009 and a .011 is several pounds. And a bass has typically tens of pounds more tension. 
 
Consider how that relates to any points of friction involved.




I'll take your word and reasoning. As a guitarist if I had had tuning stabilty issues I wouldn't have considered amount of string tension (at standard pitch). It'll be added to my check list when trouble shooting tuning issues. (thanks Drew).
 
Along those "thinking" lines there are those that may have a short-scale Gibson with light gauge (and maybe slinky too) strings and have buzzing thinking it may need a neck adjustment rather than changing from slinkys or increasing the string gauge to eliminate the problem.
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