I was one of the first to buy the V-Studio 700 and have been a solid Cake user from the first iteration of Sonar.  I now am convinced that this has not turned out well and am migrating to a new platform. As much as I hate to admit it, the Pro Tools/Mac fanboy club, which I have long dissed, have the inner track on professional audio production. This is tough, I am very comfortable with Sonar and I have found PT10 not user friendly coming from Sonar. Unfortunately, I feel that the Roland aquisition of Cake is pushing Cake away from prior core values in the direction of the lowest common denominator home recording enthusiast.  To whit,  the V-studio 700 was heralded as the "Flagship" of the line.  It is clearly now a hindsite most likely due to very lackluster sales.
 I own the system. I own X2. I have hundreds of hours of work archived in Sonar format. I guess, I will at a minimum maintain my Win7 system.... but I am moving on. 
  
  

What things specifically needs to fixed? As reported Cakewalk says they're trying to identify as many bugs as possible to attempt to correct. They need input in Ryan's thread of what you think needs to be fixed. They did indicate they have a bug fix update coming lets try to give them as much info about what we think became broke from 8.5.3 to X2. This may be the last shot at restoring the V700 system to it's former glory 8.5.3.

Edited to reflect inaccuarate link.

I think Cake has put a lot of work and effort into new features as this is what looks nice on ads and hopefully sells the software and increases market share.

There are definitely some good new features in X2 that I like a lot. Most of them, however, I would trade for a properly working channel control section. This is what annoys me the most. Other stuff like snap settings et. al. I can certainly live with.

I believe that in the quest for new features, Cake had to put control surface issues 2nd or 3rd (well, I wish) but hopefully not last. I hope that once mouse mix association is satisfied (and just look at how calm the X2 forum is these days compared to X1a - X1c I reckon this might be soon), Cake will hopefully revamp the control surface implementations.

I still got older controller lying around that work off the MackieControll.dll.  I try to find the time this week to plug one in and try to access the ProChannel and the plugs ... I'll doubt it'll be a smooth ride there, either ...

According to businessweek.com Roland Corp reported a loss (in USD) of $26M in 2010, a loss of $8.6M in 2011, and a loss of $24M for 2012. If these numbers are true, I don't how any company with these numbers can continue to operate and be successful in the future without restructuring and layoffs, plus discontinuing products that don't sell well (ex VStudio series). Whose to say if Roland will still be around in 5 years. Maybe Korg will buy their music division.

I would like a control service as well, however it won't be a Roland product. It will most likely be Mackie or SSL Nucleus.

Today's world is short-lived. Products come and products go. I started wondering where the IPad will go when they started selling it ... I still don't know what I would need a toy like that for ... but I'd bet my VS-700 system that it will be superseded by the next money maker soon ...

R & D costs for Roland must be incredibly high and some products they released lately (e.g. TD-30X drum module with even better pads and even higher price) make me wonder if they'd ever find enough people to buy and pay for the R & D ...

Steeve ..i feel you but switching to PT isn't about the VS 700 ? !

i also have the nucleus on my mind but i tell you wait and test , the drivers are terrible and people are still waiting for this to be fixed ...


Now let's talk about Sonar : this daw is excellent , cake is trying to do the right things , but if the guyz want to be the number "2" they have to propose control solutions !!! steinberg failed , no other daw proposes good surfaces (like (avid) for PT) and the VS 700 is really the best around after them (i'm not talking Tango , support is alwayz rock n roll , working great with a daw and just enought with another ,)

So what to do ? praising cake to do one ? i don't think so ... they don't decide ....

Roland ? even people working at Roland don't have the long term visisbility ...

So what ? i was seriously thinking of putting big money on the dev of one control surface beacuse there's a fukkkking market for that and we need one !!  but time is what i don't have "3 kids , older 6 years old ;))

So what can we do ?  : Lobby !!!! 

We have to put the pressure on firms that knows how to do a controller to make one for sonar for exemple ....the new core app of sonar X.x is excellent , and they already have a model to enhance (the VS 700) ...we can also try to conviced Cakewalk to give them some infos about how the VS 700 have been implemented and how they would like to be (but they didn't managed to do since their moving marging are ridiculous within the Roland firm) ....

Is that all we can have (by we i'm talking all daw) : Ipad , Mackie , euphonix (toy) ect ....

stevee9c6


You can not fix this. Roland has discontinued this system. I suggest that anyone who doubts this read thru the Roland  Corporate Vision/Investors Report.  You may wish to note that this is the current status of the V-Studio 700 system.  http://www.rolandsystemsgroup.com/products/productlist/483   Please note: This is a "Legacy Product". 

I am certain that Ryan and other folks at Cake have concerns for those of us who spent > $4k on this,  but they are tiny cogs in the Roland Empire.  I would surmise that any furthur driver or bug fixes for this is being done on the side simply out of loyalty to us as a group and is not sanctioned by Roland.

This is about money folks.  Read thru the new products that "Roland" is introducing.  The V-700 base user group is simply far too tiny to waste R&D funds on.

 stick a fork in it... it's done.

I would the VS 700 would be in legacy because of the VS 800 is coming ......


even if there's not alot of people with theVS 700 , it's the "vitrine" of cake/roland ...the "look what we can do" item to earn respect ...and so even if they lose money they gotta do it !!


FIAT is making money with Fiat , Alfarromeo ect ....but FERRARI has been kept like it's supposed to be "an heritage of how to make the best cars in the world"


Roland has a name , and have been a major player in what music is today  .... so if cake don't push them , we should try to push cake ...to push them ..


A-B ; B-C ; C-D  (Chales relation) lol  A-D


A=US
D=Roland

Guys... for the record. I have zero problems with Cake and or Sonar.   These guys have been great for years. I like Sonar.   I am exploring all options at present, however I already own PT10. There is simply nothing I need in the V700 any longer. I use  Kurzweils new workstation and have another Roland keyboard as well as a CME controller. I am no longer even using the 700 rack and the console is used only for transport controls and mixing. 

is the VS 700 working with PT ?