This is about money folks. Read thru the new products that "Roland" is introducing. The V-700 base user group is simply far too tiny to waste R&D funds on. stick a fork in it... it's done.

 
The V-700 system listed on the link you provided is the V-Studio REAC system. The important difference being REAC.

gowi


According to businessweek.com Roland Corp reported a loss (in USD) of $26M in 2010, a loss of $8.6M in 2011, and a loss of $24M for 2012. If these numbers are true, I don't how any company with these numbers can continue to operate and be successful in the future without restructuring and layoffs, plus discontinuing products that don't sell well (ex VStudio series). Whose to say if Roland will still be around in 5 years. Maybe Korg will buy their music division.

I would like a control service as well, however it won't be a Roland product. It will most likely be Mackie or SSL Nucleus.

I guess you've noticed there's a bit of a depression going on? Economic numbers are not good for everyone. I garauntee all the gear manufacturors are having a tough time.

My mistake Craig... I did not realize that was the REAC version.  I have edited my post to correct this.  I still feel that this system has been written off by corporate.    In response to the question of PT and the V700.  No, the controller does not work at all. I would assume that the rack would work as an interface as PT is generally compatible with all ASIO devices. I don't know though. I use the Lynx HILO as the interface currently as it's conversion and monitor control just sounds better to my ears, c/w the V700. Oddly enough the controller does work utilizing the Lynx as long as I am using Sonar.

stevee9c6


My mistake Craig... I did not realize that was the REAC version.  I have edited my post to correct this.  I still feel that this system has been written off by corporate.    In response to the question of PT and the V700.  No, the controller does not work at all. I would assume that the rack would work as an interface as PT is generally compatible with all ASIO devices. I don't know though. I use the Lynx HILO as the interface currently as it's conversion and monitor control just sounds better to my ears, c/w the V700. Oddly enough the controller does work utilizing the Lynx as long as I am using Sonar.

Who knows? If you can't get the REAC version, what can you get? I'm about to bump my system up to X1d with the VS700. I'm hoping they'll see the light and keep things current with X2. All lot of us VS 700 forum users don't realize where the VS 700 is being used. As a mixdown console, mastering console, in some artists composition studio. Roland really needs to show some faith in this product before the fans get pissed.

I get Steve's vibe totally. No surprise... I know I know...

The reality is that PT/Avid has the market cornered when it comes to hardware and software. There isn't a better player in the field and of course that helps them dominate...and they do dominate.

Cake pales by comparison (to the might of PT) as do most other platforms and the question inevitably becomes why stick with Sonar? The answer is because it simply is the best platform particularly in regard to the features (IMO). When it comes to hardware integration however... the Roland connection has not provided long term joy and we are forced to consider other options where that is important to the user and any user that spends the thousands we (typically) have, is quite serious in their investment.

Yes we would all love Cake or Roland to support X2 with total 700C integration like 8.5.3 but that dream surely is over? How long has it been?? The only mention I've seen to date is in effect, 'one day we might get a coupla things working a little better'. Tell me again where to look for the support that's coming...please. Please. They just need to come clean one way or the other and this is the only -ve I can recall about Cake to date really.

For those that wonder what the big deal is....the 700C is now glorified transport and fader control. Making another 'broken' list has gotten old but keep the dream alive.

The only suggestion I could make Steve is to consider another surface like the MCU perhaps however the lure of the Avid options will always win..if you have the coin.

I wish you the very best with your decision(s) going forward and hope that you keep us in the loop so we know what you decide and how it works out.

Cheers.

Mully I did read your list of problems, I just can't seem to post from the Droid.
I guess all I need is a basic transport so I hope everytjhing doesn't crash and bur too soon.
I wish my to stalwarts Roland and Care werent spiraling downward.
I can't stand the smarmy arrogance of PT users.
If I'm forced to switch I might go Mac, but their fans are just about as bad.

Maybe Roland could sell Sonar to Microsoft?
:(
WSS

Hiya WSS... dang that avatar makes me thirsty.
Yeah I know what you mean about the other users of PT and macs.... it's not as big a problem here because PT users are rife and don't seem to know the differences anyway coz they are busy getting degrees in audio and getting turned into droids themselves.

The mac people are always entertaining but I like both camps anyway... the mac cost just makes no sense to me.

Now imagine if Microsoft bought Cake? THAT would be interesting..... it would perhaps give them a leg up to shake the mac world a bit...would be very interesting to see something like that unfold.

I reckon Steve you are in the best position using the 700 as you do. That will see it through for you for quite some time to come I'd think. Good result.

Cheers!

PS: just had a listen to Battle of Lake Erie and that banjo is excellent.... whole thing is excellent actually, love your voice mate.

No reason why Roland can't keep up support for the vs, look how long Avid supports their controllers. But this is the way of Roland.

For the most part, Roland don't have to do anything. The v700 has not changed, it's X2 that's not fully compatible with it.

I own most of the major DAWs and SONAR is still my favorite by far. The main reason that I bought the others was so that I can receive projects into my studio in ANY format . Once I get a project in, regardless of the format, I figure out how to export it so that I can get the tracks into SONAR for mixing. 

Even with its lack of updates, the VS700 system is still a well-built, rock-solid mixing platform. Having the other DAWs in my studio also affords me the time to also become familiar with them. This knowledge comes in handy in case I'm in a situation where I don't have access to SONAR. 

Also a lot of people don't seem to realize how revolutionary the ProChannel system is. My guess is that Apple or AVID will have to add something similar to Logic or Pro Tools before the world will hail it for what it really is. Propellerheads has already sort of copied it with their Rack Extension feature. 

Now that I have VS700 functionality under Windows 8, I have at least a few more years before I need to decide on if I want to stick with SONAR as my primary DAW. During that time I will continue to increase my familiarity with the other DAWs. When the time comes to replace the VS700 I should hopefully be in a better position to decide what will work best for me going forward.

-e.B