Rumour has it there is an "upstairs"
kinda like the wise man on the mountain,
or Nirvana,
I think they speak of lofty things such as :take lanes" and pro tewls/raptor/reaper/stud one being sew much bettor than our lowly Sonar..
yet they nag/hang around to shuttle us non believers unwashed into the light
why I hate that place