You do realise it's just a video and he's miming...   The out of tune string is in the studio mix, so it'll sound the same on the album (assuming they used the same take...)

Just listened again..3:01 - 3:10 actually sounds like he's playing in the wrong key...that note at 3:01 is just bad..and not in a good way.

jamesg1213
Just listened again..3:01 - 3:10 actually sounds like he's playing in the wrong key...that note at 3:01 is just bad..and not in a good way.

Alternate mode. It does work but it is jarring. I'm probably more accepting of such things because I do that crap all the time but this all makes me question whether perhaps my "creativity" will simply be perceived as sounding like arse. Then again this song does mostly stay within the realm of "normal" so doing crazy stuff like that doesn't fit as well as when you build up a pile of turds then add a couple oddly flavored farts.
 
And there are definitely some "sour" notes there which to me sounds like what I was saying early. He is ever so slightly tuned down/out of tune and when he relaxes the strings to their resting point it sounds off. There are quite a few spots where I hear that happening or about to happen but for the most part it all keeps moving enough to be unnoticeable and most likely wouldn't be perceived by anyone other than musicians and studio hounds. I think with MIDI, hyper accurate tuners and auto tune stuff everyone's ears are becoming more honed to such things these days. I listened to a lot of my old faves that back then sounded PERFECT and can hear all sorts of off notes and other weirdness now.
 
But I also got into punk as I "aged" so even though my ears are more tuned in to off notes and other "bad" noise I can appreciate the humanity and grit of it all. That to me is the best part of music.
 
Frankly the solo was my favorite part of the whole song. Everything else was too polished except for some of the vocals and... well... I didn't really like the vocal style but think he was attempting some interesting tones over the backing parts.
 
At certain points it broke into that heavily processed "Ozzy - No More Tears" sound then went back to totally raw which I thought was kind of an odd and not so pleasant (to me) contrast.
 
Sounds like a great bar band that someone was trying to polish into the new style production sound while still leaving some of the grit... but only in some places. It just felt weird. I'd rather hear a recording of these guys play live off the floor with minimal over dubs and a good old school style engineering job on it. Some record exec probably figured that wouldn't sell though so this is what we get.
 
/jaded

Obviously he didn't follow the guideline that if you hit a clam note you return to it and emphasize it so people think (at least in your head)  that you made the first note fart on purpose.

craigb
Obviously he didn't follow the guideline that if you hit a clam note you return to it and emphasize it so people think (at least in your head)  that you made the first note fart on purpose.

I think there are two rules to making pleasurable noise.
 
1) Be honestly and blissfully oblivious to how badly you suck but play like your life depends on it.
 
or
 
2) Know EXACTLY how make things sound PERFECT and THEN how to make them sound like utter crap at which point you must commit yourself to being a viciously skilled and efficient turd slinging machine.
 
#1 becomes completely impossible once you achieve anything beyond the most basic skill level. At that point you must become an extremely proficient and intuitive musician to produce #2. Even then there may be some grunting and pushing and false starts before the desired result emerges.

mmmmmmmm-huh! There is nothing wrong with his solo in that song. They are changing chords quickly in his guitar solo part and everything is fine. It is just a different kind of solo from the main chords of the song, in fact if anything, it may be too many  chords there during his solo but just listen a few more times, and all of it will seem fine then.
 
Really!

Just don't know how they can sing that high and shout that loud, I guess.
Oh well, that kind of music.
 
His guitar solo and the song there in the solo is just different with different chords.
Quite a few chords also.
 

Dunno...to moi this is like doing a critical analysis of "Green Eggs and Ham".  It's just...as Keef would say..."some blokes with guitars round their necks".

yorolpal
Dunno...to moi this is like doing a critical analysis of "Green Eggs and Ham".  It's just...as Keef would say..."some blokes with guitars round their necks".

 
Yuck!
 

Thanks guys, I appreciate you taking the time to listen and comment. As I said, whenever something seems wrong, I tend to question my understanding of it in the first place, so it's nice to know that I'm not alone perceiving the weirdness.
 
As Janet pointed out, it's the official video, and that's the studio cut, so that's what they'll be releasing on CD.
 
I like the rawness of it, and the playing outside of the box, which has always been part of his style. But in the end, to my ears, no matter how I try to loosen my perception of what's on and what's off, there are at least a couple of notes that really stand out as way off.

Rain
Thanks guys, I appreciate you taking the time to listen and comment. As I said, whenever something seems wrong, I tend to question my understanding of it in the first place, so it's nice to know that I'm not alone perceiving the weirdness.
 
As Janet pointed out, it's the official video, and that's the studio cut, so that's what they'll be releasing on CD.
 
I like the rawness of it, and the playing outside of the box, which has always been part of his style. But in the end, to my ears, no matter how I try to loosen my perception of what's on and what's off, there are at least a couple of notes that really stand out as way off.

I believe you meant the lady with the guns not the chainsaw.