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2014/01/11 06:07:25
craigb
What do you get if you run inside of an elephant for a long time?
 
You get pooped out...
2014/01/11 08:35:09
Kalle Rantaaho
I'm aware of cruel methods used in animal training of all kind. That is totally unacceptable, no matter how "dumb" or "clever" the species. I do wonder, though, why couldn't something like painting, or whatever, be tought to them with acceptable methods. 
 
Elephants are intelligent animals. Why wouldn't they enjoy "brain training" the same way dogs, dolphins and apes do? I can't see anything wrong in guiding the painting by squeezing the ear. I'm not saying the info in the link above is false in anyway, but I don't allow myself to jump to  conclusions too fast. And phrases like " It's a myth that elephants are talented, because they can paint" or "circus tricks are degrading and cause mental trauma" are so naive that they throw a shadow on the credibility of the whole site.
 
There was nothing in the slide show about painting that worried me, but the life of, say, the trekking elephants, isn't nice to watch. It's like the life of working horses in western world 100+odds years ago. Another question, then, is how many "failing" painters, that never get to perform, are treated with heavy hands during the process.
 
Also, wouldn't a stressed, mistreated elephant be a very risky animal walking around among tourists in groups (like in the video, you see many unchained ones). "Tame" elephants do attack at people all the time. An animal doing something that it doesn't do in the wild does not automatically mean the animal is suffering or mistreated.
(Wild elephants do make marks in the sand with their trunks, AFAIK)
2014/01/11 14:46:45
craigb
Kalle Rantaaho
I'm aware of cruel methods used in animal training of all kind.

 
But enough about getting drummers to show up on time.


 

2014/01/13 08:34:17
UbiquitousBubba
We come in when we feel it or when there's becan involved.
2014/01/13 08:58:55
Moshkiae
craigb
Kalle Rantaaho
I'm aware of cruel methods used in animal training of all kind.

 
But enough about getting drummers to show up on time.
...


I have seen animals train themselves, and it was not an issue for them. I had a bird that I kept his cage open and he ended up liking me sitting at the computer and he would perch in my shoulder and play with my hair and ears. I didn't train him!
 
We had a rabbit in Brazil, that used to come up to the dinner table when everyone was eating, and he would tap the feet of a chair a dozen times or so and then sit there, and look at us!
 
We had a little monkee in Brazil that was smart, and he knew when to go pottie and where. We didn't teach him, but I think he figured out they must be sitting for some reason.
 
We had a parrot that learned to talk, and you could say hello, and he would reply OK, and you? He picked it up from his young days, and his only annoying bit was that if he caught someone arguing (gonna happen with so many kids!), he would start screeching until we stopped!
 
There are smart animals out there. And sometimes we think that we didn't learn from many of them in the first place! We might have learned "love" by ourselves (hahaha!!!), but I doubt that we didn't learn about sex from them!
 
2014/01/13 10:27:15
bapu
Moshkiae
but I doubt that we didn't learn about sex from them!
 


I just don't know if I can put up much longer with all this talk about sex.
2014/01/13 13:21:18
dubdisciple
My ex bought one of those in Thailand.  I suspect that she did not know about the abuse involved in the training, but I doubt that would have stopped her from buying it :(
2014/01/13 13:27:27
SteveStrummerUK
 
Moshkiae
 
There are smart animals out there. And sometimes we think that we didn't learn from many of them in the first place! We might have learned "love" by ourselves (hahaha!!!), but I doubt that we didn't learn about sex from them!
 


 
I think you might be anthropomorphizing a little.
 
Calling some of the things that animals do 'smart', or more accurately what humans consider 'smart', can really allude to actions that are maybe just 'cute'.
 
In reality, what we might consider 'smart' things that animals do are those actions that prevent them getting eaten.
 
 
2014/01/13 13:32:12
craigb
bapu
Moshkiae
but I doubt that we didn't learn about sex from them!
 


I just don't know if I can put up much longer with all this talk about sex.



Almost making you go outside and look for a couple of squirrels to video tape again?
2014/01/14 08:16:44
Moshkiae
SteveStrummerUK
 
Moshkiae
 
There are smart animals out there. And sometimes we think that we didn't learn from many of them in the first place! We might have learned "love" by ourselves (hahaha!!!), but I doubt that we didn't learn about sex from them!
 


 
I think you might be anthropomorphizing a little.
 
Calling some of the things that animals do 'smart', or more accurately what humans consider 'smart', can really allude to actions that are maybe just 'cute'.
 
In reality, what we might consider 'smart' things that animals do are those actions that prevent them getting eaten.



Nahhh ... I just think that we consider ourselves so damn superior sometimes, but we make guns and bombs to go kill people! No difference!
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