2014/01/11 13:14:22
ampfixer
Well put Bit. I think you've gotten to the real heart of the matter.
2014/01/11 14:48:50
spacealf
Well, there you go!
I suppose that is why normal people when hearing loud music compressed and all of that like the video showed, say - "Turn it down!".
 
It is annoying to me not to have dynamic range in a song, just utterly annoying!
It's an insult to the senses at least in my opinion.
There's more but i will stop there, and please "Turn it off!"

 Just one more thing though, I think that somehow I am just more refined because of music and the way it should be - to me.
Beating people to death with loudness wars somehow just does not appeal to me in the sense that it is more than scary in that kind of action.
 
Depends on the kind of music also, some music you expect that, but in most music I listen to or want to listen to, I do not expect it.
 
 
 
2014/01/11 21:46:34
bitflipper
If you poke around on YouTube, there's a video comparing a Green Day song between the original release version and a new remaster with better dynamic range.
 
Sadly, both versions pretty much sound the same. The comparison almost serves as a counter-argument to the point the poster was trying to make.
 
He should have used George Harrison's All Things Must Pass instead. It was a sacrilege what they did to the re-issue of that classic masterpiece.
2014/01/12 09:35:02
SuperG
Last night I had the headphones on while tediously grinding away on my elliptical exercise machine, listening to Queen's Greatest Hits. With good headphones you can hear plenty of what many would consider recording "mistakes". But when Freddie screams "get on your bikes and ride!" I am infused with renewed energy to keep going.

 
I had read some where (SOS?) that some of Queen's songs had over a hundred overdubs and who know's how many razor edits... amazing what they did!
2014/01/12 10:41:30
Moshkiae
jamesg1213 Amazing how this 'loudness wars' nonsense refuses to go away..everything still has a volume control..

I really think that this goes into the advertising and the "show" that the media makes for many bands and such.
 
I remember the old days, when the Rolling Stones, Deep Purple and Black Sabbath were too loud and not that good in concert. But the media was all over kissing them, and the fans thought it was cool to come out of it with your ears ringing. For that matter, later on, The Who, when they were the leading act, were also too loud and my friend that sits next to me, has been partially deaf for about 45 years!
 
Somewhere along the way, we have to decide if it is the music or the loudness, and if "reviewers" start stomping on it, it would likely stop the inanity and the kissing of these rock stars and what not.
 
Until that day, the "loudness" wars, both studio and concert, will be all over everything we do. It's the same with that bass pound pound pound ... so talented! But it is loud and louder than the rest!
 
2014/01/12 10:42:58
Moshkiae
SuperG
Last night I had the headphones on while tediously grinding away on my elliptical exercise machine, listening to Queen's Greatest Hits. With good headphones you can hear plenty of what many would consider recording "mistakes". But when Freddie screams "get on your bikes and ride!" I am infused with renewed energy to keep going.

 
I had read some where (SOS?) that some of Queen's songs had over a hundred overdubs and who know's how many razor edits... amazing what they did!



Jimmy did the same thing to several Led Zeppelin things, and specially ruined the stuff in "How The West Was Won" as the bootlegs were seriously better and had more energy, and I don't mean LOUDNESS! It's no wonder that Robert Plant doesn't want to be with him any more!
2014/01/12 10:57:01
SuperG
The Who, when they were the leading act, were also too loud and my friend that sits next to me, has been partially deaf for about 45 years!

 
Pete Townshend expressed regret also - his ears are damaged as well.
 
If broadcasters go with loudness normalization, all those loud bands are going to lose that 'loudness' and simply sound over smashed instead...
 
 
2014/01/12 11:03:30
Moshkiae
SuperG
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Pete Townshend expressed regret also - his ears are damaged as well.
 
If broadcasters go with loudness normalization, all those loud bands are going to lose that 'loudness' and simply sound over smashed instead...
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Nah, they would just sound as bad as they are!
2014/01/12 17:42:28
soens
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2014/01/12 18:40:49
craigb

 
 
Hmm...  Hey, that hair looks kinda familiar!
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