Note that I said nicotine is not addictive, I didn't say that smoking wasn't.  However, neither is physiologically addictive or people wouldn't be able to stop cold turkey.  If you do a google search asking if nicotine is truly addictive, you'll find many new studies that show it isn't (along with a little misinformation that still exists).

timidi
Kenny,
 
2 of these (medium):
http://www.modernvapor.com/product_p/vv-batt.htm
2 of these:(clear)
http://www.modernvapor.com/product_p/lux-clr.htm
1 of these
http://www.modernvapor.com/product_p/char3.htm
1 of these. (20mil. 24mg)
http://www.modernvapor.com/product_p/e-juice-usam.htm
1 of these: (yes.. you'll need it)
http://www.modernvapor.com/LUX_Pouch_p/case-lux.htm
 
$92.00 plus shipping.

Timothy ,
thank you for taking the time and posting those links .
it sure looks like an upgrade from what I'm using currently …..
I might end up buying one battery and vaporizer  if I can swing the cash …to give that system a try ...
 
Kenny

kev11111111111111

kennywtelejazz
I have an electronic cig set up & I will say that I have very mixed feelings about it ….
I don't find it cost effective at all ….when I add up the cost of the juice and the filters …
the setup I have has a short battery life before it needs a charge (only a couple of hours )
I'm sure not saving any money by using it ...I got forced into having to get one ( this expensive piece of **** ) because the apartment complex where I live went non smoking a couple of years ago …..
according to my lease I'm not allowed to even smoke a cig in my own apartment .
I would move if I could ….. apparently the town I live in and the whole surrounding geo area have made it policy not to allow smoking period ...
 
for the record ….
I'm OK w not smoking in all the usual public places where people congregate , the work place, stores , schools , church , libraries , bars , restaurants, playgrounds, …ect ect...
 
in the privacy of my own effing home …Yeah right ….
 
rant over …..
 
Kenny
 

Dont you find you're still spending the same money though ?? I worked out that my e cig costs £14 and it has 400 'breaths' Thats about 10 breaths per cig ? So its like 40 ciggies ?? A packet of 20 in the UK is about £6. So ok e cigs are¨£1 more expensive than normal cigs. It's not too bad ?? 
 
As for smoking indoors,wow everywhere I've lived for the last 4 years has been the same !!!!! Non smoking. It does suck,but what can you do ???
 
Happy New Year !!!
 
Kev
 

Hi Kev , 
 
is this now a world wide thing where it is against the rules to have a cig in the privacy and comfort of your own home ? 
man if thats the case ….what the heck is this world coming to .
 
cost wise my normal smoking situation is dirt cheap ….
I use a Rizla+ rolling box …the only diff is I don't use a filter on my cigs  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u44I8kQsjfs
for the month my usual smoking expenses are  a one pound bag of premium tobaco for 23 US dollars ,  7 packs of papers at 99 cents a pack …(115 papers in each pack …) and maybe a pack of flints for my zippo ….
even if I had to buy lighter fluid and flints every month , it still would come in at around 40 dollars US each month  ...
the thing is …this works for me , I enjoy what I am smoking , I can afford it and I'm perfectly happy doing this ...
the whole e cig thing is my attempt to get people off my back  
the absolute truth is ……..I want to be left alone …..I quit drugs and alcohol 30 years ago ….
not even a drop or an illegal drug in over 30 years ….
who the eff are all these people telling me what i can and can not do in the comfort of my home ?
I don't have a beef w abiding w being able to abide w non smoking in a public space  ...
 
my private space is not a public space 
 
in all fairness and in the spirit of a jest that ain't realy a jest ,   
I have already gave all this sh*t up ...
so , I would love to see how all these folks that push for all these BS rules would feel if it was against the rules for them to eat bacon , drink booze ,  eat foods high in sugar , indulge in fast food binges , stuff pizza down their throat w all the toppings , drink  sodas , or what ever their little guilty pleasure happens to be …for them folks it is no longer OK to do these things in the comfort of their own private space 
I would love to see how they would do w that that  
 
yeah who gets to decide 
Kenny
 
 
 
 

Worldwide, tobacco use causes more than 5 million deaths per year.
 
what's left to discuss?

batsbrew
Worldwide, tobacco use causes more than 5 million deaths per year.
 
what's left to discuss?

actually Bat, there is plenty left to discuss …..  
tobacco is not illegal & I'm way past the age of 21 
I'm talking about my own personal free will and how I feel about having some one dictate to me personally what I can and can not do in the comfort of my own personal space … MY HOME  
 
Kenny
 
 

kennywtelejazz
 
Timothy ,
thank you for taking the time and posting those links .
it sure looks like an upgrade from what I'm using currently …..
I might end up buying one battery and vaporizer  if I can swing the cash …to give that system a try ...
 
Kenny

You'll need the battery charger.
 
FWIW, people (smokers) that try my rig think it's terrible. There is a learning curve and if you want to get the monkey off your back, it is "A" way. I think of it as quitting smoking without quitting. But, I do think that it is not about "giving it a try" or "cutting back", it is about committing to finding a solution. For me, I had to invest to committ to this "solution". Probably still bad but at least it's not the filth that is in cigarettes. 

timidi

kennywtelejazz
 
Timothy ,
thank you for taking the time and posting those links .
it sure looks like an upgrade from what I'm using currently …..
I might end up buying one battery and vaporizer  if I can swing the cash …to give that system a try ...
 
Kenny

You'll need the battery charger.
 
FWIW, people (smokers) that try my rig think it's terrible. There is a learning curve and if you want to get the monkey off your back, it is "A" way. I think of it as quitting smoking without quitting. But, I do think that it is not about "giving it a try" or "cutting back", it is about committing to finding a solution. For me, I had to invest to committ to this "solution". Probably still bad but at least it's not the filth that is in cigarettes. 

Timothy,
your rig looks pretty good and it is right up my alley , oh btw...I got you on needing to get the charger….
after upgrading my DAW and just getting out of the hollidays my funds are vey tight
( that is why I mentioned purchasing half of what you mentioned )  
 
I'm no stranger to e cigs , I've had full set up  for a few years …a lower tech one …yet , it was expensive when it came out and things have come a long way since I had bought mine ...
 
last month I went to the shop where I had gotten mine and asked what I could do to get a more satisfy smoke while using the e cig …
the owner showed me a Noble fluid container / vaporizer that screwed on to one of the the batteries  I already have ...
big diff , much more satisfying , but not w out a few drawbacks ….shorter battery life and the thing just started leaking on me ….lol
it's true ,  there is a learning curve to getting the most out of these things and I agree w that .
as far as finding a solution go's , I would not be here discussing this subject if I wasn't looking to find one . 
 
FWIW…during the course of my day I'm using the e cig for about one third of my jones ,  during that time when the thing works correctly ...I have found it to be somewhat satisfying ….I think if I can find the right one I can probably make the switch.
 
Kenny
 
 
 

Kenny, I do about a battery a day. Always have one on the charger.
Yea, in the beginning a lot of the technology was pretty iffy. I struggled through the leaking and bad batteries and now find things are pretty consistent. It does seem they are starting to skimp on the wicks lately though. 
There is a shop in town that sells stuff but I think I get better quality and price thru that link.
Good luck.

 
This article was in the news today:
http://www.hngn.com/articles/21645/20140110/rate-new-lung-cancer-americans-decrease-cdc-report.htm
 
 
"Since 1964 when the first Surgeon General's report on the health consequences of smoking was published, cigarette smoking cessation rates increased and cigarette smoking initiation rates decreased more rapidly among men than women," according to the CDC report.
Since smoking is largely responsible for causing lung cancer and judging by the statistics of this report, is it safe to say that policy makers are doing a great job in curbing smoking activities and preventing lung cancer cases?
In July last year, the state of New York will celebrate the 10th anniversary of its indoor smoking ban act - The Clean Indoor Air Act. Over the decade many other smoke-free laws have been introduced across the country. Smoking rates reduced by 16 percent among adults and by over 40 percent among the youth. New laws have not been the only reason why these rates have dropped. According to the American Lung Association's annual State of Tobacco Control report, New York has the highest tobacco tax.
Whether these smoking bans are responsible for the decline in lung cancer rates is true or not, these bans have definitely reduced rate of people being hospitalized for heart attacks, strokes and respiratory diseases like asthma and emphysema, a previous Mayo Clinic research revealed, according to HNGN. 

kennywtelejazz

batsbrew
Worldwide, tobacco use causes more than 5 million deaths per year.
 
what's left to discuss?

actually Bat, there is plenty left to discuss …..  
tobacco is not illegal & I'm way past the age of 21 
I'm talking about my own personal free will and how I feel about having some one dictate to me personally what I can and can not do in the comfort of my own personal space … MY HOME  
 
Kenny
 
 

i pay for your free will, thru my taxes, to handle your bills in the hospital when you develop lung cancer.
it really affects everyone else too.