2015/05/14 20:55:53
AdamGrossmanLG
I see lots of rock music being passed through tape saturation on the master buss, but what about electronic/dance music?
 
 
2015/05/14 23:42:15
Kamikaze
I guess it depends on the dance music, and if you like the sound then go for it. Youtube ad popped up for Sonar yesterday, the promo video with some trance guy called Bluestone, sure he had the tape emulator on, it was showing on the Track Inspector, so I couldn't say it was the master bus, though it could have been.
 
I used to listen to a lot of Jazz bassed Drum and Bass on labels such as Moving Shadow and London Electricity. If I was to make now, I'd probably whack the Tape Em. on the master.
 
Regards the youtube ads, I seemed to get a whole stak of cakwalk yesterday popping up between every 2-3 songs on a playlist. I had Cinematic Orchestra playing as a I worked, but it's laid back vibe was killed by that Rapture Pro ad with it big dubstep bass from the outset.
2015/05/15 01:17:46
AT
Real analog saturation, from tape or transformers etc., is the ticket.  I'm not a big fan of digital emulations for saturation/distortion.  More often than not it just gets cloudy to my ears.
 
But certainly tape saturation on electric music.  It can go with any music - it is simply a recording/mixing technique.  Classic etc. used to go to tape, tho I wouldn't slather on any emulations on it.
 
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2015/05/15 10:17:29
bitflipper
Tape emulation is widely used for pop and rock because for decades pop and rock was recorded on tape, and we still unconsciously hear that sound in our collective head, along with harmonic distortion from tubes. We've come to expect that's what pop and rock music is supposed to sound like.
 
EDM, by contrast, exists in its current form because of digital technology. It was never widely recorded to tape. It is digital from beginning to end, never seeing a single analog component until the moment it's played back. 
 
But as they say, there are no rules. It's only a matter of time before folks get bored with the standard gimmicks and producers start straying from well-established practices. One day, they'll even discover that waveforms exist other than a sawtooth!
2015/05/15 18:11:49
...wicked
I use it all the time. In fact I follow a pretty analog-sounding recipe for my electronic music. I find it just helps glue it together and gives it a cohesiveness that a regular ITB production lacks. 
2015/05/15 18:35:25
AdamGrossmanLG
...wicked
I use it all the time. In fact I follow a pretty analog-sounding recipe for my electronic music. I find it just helps glue it together and gives it a cohesiveness that a regular ITB production lacks. 




 
the words "analog-sounding recipe" intrigued me! lol.   care to share?
2015/05/16 00:38:04
sharke
Tape saturation and analog gear gets used all the time in EDM styles, but then again EDM covers a huge range of genres and sounds so it probably depends on what style you're talking about. I think it can certainly be helpful in taming some of the brittleness which comes from stacking a load of modern synth sounds together. If you watch EDM mixing tutorials you'll see people using analog/tape simulations on everything from the kick to the high hats. I've put tape saturation on the master bus with pleasing results before. 
 
But that isn't to say that the "pure" digital sound isn't desirable sometimes. I watched one of those Future Music "In The Studio" YouTube videos featuring Four Tet a while ago and he was talking about the album he was working on, and he said that instead of going the usual route of using analog simulations and having it put through an analog desk in the mastering stage, he wanted everything to be untouched by analog and sound as clean and digital as possible. I listen to a lot of random electronic music on Spotify - not your cheesy thumping club stuff but more avant garde/trippy kind of stuff, and I have to say some of it sounds so clean and pristine that it just jumps out of the speakers in a way that's quite disorientating sometimes. I get the same feeling when I'm watching super HD 60fps digital video. 
2015/05/16 00:49:45
sharke
bitflipper
EDM, by contrast, exists in its current form because of digital technology. It was never widely recorded to tape. It is digital from beginning to end, never seeing a single analog component until the moment it's played back. 

 
That's not entirely true, I think some of the early acid house 303 type stuff was recorded to tape, but that was quickly superseded by DAT. Nonetheless, early dance music has always had a strong analog element, whether it be the use of analog synths or analog effects, especially compressors. Remember it hasn't really been that long since totally ITB production became possible in the way it is today, with projects typically running hundreds of plugins. 
 
And of course you've always had some artists recording to tape for a deliberately lo-fi effect, an example being Boards of Canada who would rerecord parts on tape over and over to get that wobbly degraded sound. 



2015/05/16 01:41:23
Kamikaze
Orbitals 'Chime' in 1989 was recorded to tape. Dance music as it is called by many fans who were listening before youngsters decided to rename in EDM in the early 2000's. No one called it EDM in the 90's at least not in the UK, where so many Genres originated from. 
 
I believe also Detroit's Canadian 'Plastic Man' used tape too in the early days, I seem to recall something about his father repairing it, amongst other electrical activities to help his son.s.
passion.
 
Dance music started out Analogue with a stack of roland gear as well as others. But alongside Emu, Akais and other digital samplers.
 
The re-branding to EDM in the early 2000's drove many into 'Dance music' mad, with battle on wikipedia to change references to bands such  The Orb, Orbital, Underworld, Prodigy, back and forth from Dance Music and EDM, but all these bands existed over a decade before the term EDM did
2015/05/16 11:43:15
sharke
I guess you can just take the phrase Electronic Dance Music as descriptive and legitimately apply it to any electronic-based music that's produced with dancing in mind. Back in the early 90's I guess we mainly called it Dance Music as you say, but we also referred to genres like acid, acid trance, house, dub, jungle/D&B, Detroit etc. Although we certainly weren't as tediously anal about genre divisions like the kids are nowadays. Reading the YouTube comments for EDM songs is a very annoying experience as you have to wade through these endless mud-flinging debates about what particular sub-sub-sub-sub-genre the track is, with each kid insisting that their analysis is right based on the exact bpm and snare pattern of the track etc. You get the feeling the music isn't that important any more. 
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