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2015/04/24 19:49:25
gswitz
https://youtu.be/H_wUpw_ZWVc
 
I made a video of me tweaking some values. I still don't like it very much. I want to make it sound like Flea from the Chili Peppers.
 
I'm not succeeded very well. The song has to still be listenable. I bounced every song from the concert and got back the feedback that the bass isn't 'loud enough/clear enough'.
 
So I'm back at it again. I don't want to be defeated or just give up. I don't want to come back to the listen in a few years and hate the mix.
 
This tune has some feedback in it, but it's followed by a concert full of great jams. I just want them to rock.
 
Anyone who listens will get a free golden frimbalo that gets you one plindy at the sokluk house. :-)
 
Thanks in advance.
2015/04/24 20:01:13
Karyn
Where do I apply for my golden frimbalo?
2015/04/24 22:46:14
batsbrew
good bass, dialed in.
 
good technique (most important element)
 
good capture method (it's all over the map)
 
good understanding of mix elements, while mixing.
 
 
but above all else,
attitude.
2015/04/25 00:46:21
Jim Roseberry
FWIW, That bass track doesn't sound bad to me...
It sounds like a good DI recording.  Much more jazzy than harder funk/rock...
Sounds like what you're looking for is an "amped up" more aggressive tone.
 
Do you have access to a nice tube bass amp/cab?
If so, I'd re-amp the track.
An Ampeg tube head playing thru a nice cab will give you that angry aggressive tone.
A little "grind/dirt" not only adds character... but can also add articulation in the upper mids.
 
If you don't have access to a nice bass amp, do you have access to a Kemper Profiling Amp?
If so, I've got a bunch of profiles I've created using an Ampeg VB4 playing thru a SVT-410 HLF (mic'd 101 different ways).  Makes recording electric bass a breeze.  The profiles are small... I could upload them for you to download.
2015/04/25 08:54:54
gswitz
Karyn
Where do I apply for my golden frimbalo?


My supply is on Pre-Order; I'll have to get back to you. Thanks for listening!!
 
BatsBrew
good bass, dialed in.
...
but above all else,
attitude.

 
Thanks! I really appreciate that!
 
The Famous Jim R!!
FWIW, That bass track doesn't sound bad to me...
It sounds like a good DI recording.  Much more jazzy than harder funk/rock...
Sounds like what you're looking for is an "amped up" more aggressive tone.

 
Thanks for taking time to listen, Jim!! I really appreciate it, and you'll be getting your frimbalo too as soon as my ship comes in. 
 
This band has been together since 1987 (and I've known them since then). The bassist plays in public several times a month with any number of bands. The music scene is incestuous when it comes to good local talent. Everybody doing it with everybody.  I'm a little nervous to try to tune his sound without him in the room. He lives 1.5 hours or so from me, so it's possible he might make the trip. I'll reach out to him and see what he says. I had 2 mics a bit distant from the stage and off-center that got a tone of bass, and they are mixed in for ambient tone and crowd noise.
 
I don't have any gear for re-amping. The best I could do would be run it through TH2 (full version).
 
Here's a different tune where I've mixed up the bass a little...
This is my first pass where the band felt the bass was not so good...
http://stabilitynetwork.blob.core.windows.net/g-tunes/20140816_CowFest2_02_DontLetItBringYouDown_LessBass.mp3
This is my second pass after doing some minor changes - before trying TH2...
http://stabilitynetwork.blob.core.windows.net/g-tunes/20140816_CowFest2_02_DontLetItBringYouDown.mp3
This is a third pass after adding TH2 and adjusting the vocal verb to shorten it. I also changed the gated verb on the snare since the rim shots were creating a weird effect... I used the TH2 Brunetti Amp with 'Edge' on and the custom 4x12 cab.
http://stabilitynetwork.blob.core.windows.net/g-tunes/20140816_CowFest2_02_DontLetItBringYouDown_TH2.mp3
 
BTW, all these tracks are adjusted to -14 on RME's EBU Meter, so average volume should be comparable. 
 
 
2015/04/25 10:40:39
mettelus
I agree with Jim, that bass doesn't sound bad to me either. I didn't realize until I watched the video that you had a good capture of the bass track only.
 
A few things you can play with from here (mostly EQ ideas):
  1. It "seems" you want a more pronounced attack on the strings, so backing off attack time on the compression (was hard to tell all that is going on there) will let more of each string attack through.
  2. The bass raw will cover a couple octaves, so using an audio microscope (and even HPF/LPF with the resonant peak jacked up like a synth resonance knob) sweep through that track to get the tone you are seeking. Pay particular attention to the attack on each string. Once you find the sweet spots, back down to a reasonable level and go from there.
  3. Re-amping with TH2 is perfectly fine to do, but I would not get carried away with FX chains. Keep it simple and only add FX that contribute to what you want to add (i.e. don't "re-muddy" the track getting heavy-handed with them).
That track is captured pretty nicely, so you have a lot of leeway to play with there.
2015/04/25 11:20:50
gswitz
Thanks, Mettelus!
2015/04/25 11:20:58
bitflipper
I agree with the above posters that the bass doesn't sound bad at all. It just needs to be dirtied up a bit with some harmonic distortion (Cosmos can do that, but a good bass amp sim will do it better), or boost the harmonics that are already there. Making bass guitar cut through the mix has very little to do with the "bass" frequencies and much more to do with harmonics.
 
Since you're using MSpectralDynamics, on bass you might do better with a custom threshold than messing with the slope. What you can do with a custom threshold is raise the threshold in the harmonic region - I'd start around 900-1000 Hz.
 
Although I am a huge fan of MSpectralDynamics, for this particular application I'd be more likely to reach for a dynamic equalizer such as MDynamicEQ. I'd apply expansion to the harmonic range, probably starting with filters at around 400 and 900 Hz with little or no static gain but a large dynamic gain.
 
Beyond spectral enhancement, you're already on the right track using compression to give it a pluckier attack. You might want to try a more aggressive compressor such as the free Rough Rider from Audio Damage, a plugin that I happen to be enamored with at the moment. And as much as I hate to suggest a Waves solution, the multi-band version of Trans-X could be just the ticket here.
2015/04/25 20:14:51
gswitz
Bit,
MSpectralDynamics is on the master. The bass track only uses MDynamicEQ side chained to the kick to suppress when the kick drum hits.
 
The slope I was demonstrating is on the master bus.
 
The compression on the bass track was mixed in low - like 40% or so just as boost. 
 
I added another MDynamicEQ and boosted around where you suggested to positive effect, I think...
http://stabilitynetwork.blob.core.windows.net/g-tunes/20140816_CowFest2_02_DontLetItBringYouDown_DEQ.mp3
 
Thanks for the recommendation.
2015/04/27 01:11:50
stickman393
Late to the party... I liked the way the bass sounded in the initial mix. Contrary to "best practice" I would try boosting the top end of the bass track a little bit to accentuate the string attack.
 
but that is probably me projecting my preference onto your project.
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