Hi,
 

jamesg1213 We don't need to 'do homework' thank you. You're not 'teacher', and we are not 'the pupils'.
...

 
It's not even meant to sound like a teach or pupil!
 
I was mentioning examples, but you are not allowing me to qualify my statement.
 

jamesg1213
...
It's the assumptions you make. The assumptions that no-one here has heard the music you have (we have), no-one here knows anything about literature (we do), no-one here appreciates classical music (we do).

 
Sorry.
 
I'm comparing these. I was not insinuating that you don't know.
 
So, if "we do" ... it's very weird that it does not mean enough to you to even comment on it, and compare, is it?
 
That was the point, not the fact (or fiction) that you knew or not!
 

jamesg1213
... My advice - step away from your own record collection, and starting exploring, because you're right, there is 'more music out there' - but I strongly suspect, you ain't listening to it. ...
Practice what you preach Mosh.

I post the reviews all the time. And the next post? ... same thing as before! Oh wait. It's Mosh's fault!
 
Maybe you might want to check out Herd of Identity!
 
I have more "new music" than I know what to do with! And love it all!
 
My sincere apologies for swearing at Rain. I was mad. It won't happen again.

Moshkiae
 
 
Maybe you might want to check out Herd of Identity!
 
 

 
If you mean 'Herd of Instinct' with Jerry Marotta (one of my favourite drummers), I already have. Like 'em too.
 
You go check out Julie Fowlis or Saltfishforty.

Moshkiae
Hi,
 

Pedro, why is it, that just because somebody listens to music that you don't like (or more accurately - don't approve of - for whatever reasons), you feel the need to try and ridicule them?

 
I only know the English I know. If someone thinks they are being ridiculed, maybe they should/could look in the mirror, and find out why I would say something about something else as a COMPARISON point, that many of you folks appear to not accept.

 
Crap.

Pedro, it may not be your first language, but you're an accomplished writer in English - you know exactly what you're saying and the meaning you wish to convey. Your tone is often condescending, and the content of some of your posts is definitely framed to insinuate that others’ opinions are in someway not as valid as, or inferior to, your own.
 

The Clash is fine, but you folks are not showing that you are doing any homework, to even have any idea what I'm saying (I guess) and that is sad. No matter how much I say there is music out there, the only thing you can talk about is Phil and Garry, and Jimi, and Eric, but you (and Rain) do not appear to have given the others a FAIR listen, to find out what it is all about. Simply because it looks like they did not sell, or get as famous as The Clash, or Black Sabbath!

 
Why on earth should I have to do any homework?
 
I listen to a lot of different stuff. I still actively seek out new bands and try to listen to music I’ve never listened to before. That’s not homework, it’s fun.
 
As to the “the only thing you can talk about” remark, unlike you and a few others I could mention, I talk about stuff that objectively at least, I know something about. When it comes to subjective matters, I’m as much entitled to express my views and opinions as the next man.
 

If you think that "study" is stupid, that is your choice, but I will state right now, that you are missing some living and life that is amazing and very nice, out there. But it all becomes like Germany guitarists are stupid, Norwegian guitarists are bad, Japanese guitarists aren't any good, Chinese guitarists are bizarre ... because all you can compare it to is 4 or 5 Anglo-Saxon folks, that only played one kind of music!

 
Why should I want to “compare”?
 
Whether one guitarist is better than another is a complete irrelevance to me.
 
What matters to me, is not how good anyone is, but whether I enjoy listening to them or not.
 
Why is this such a difficult concept for you to understand?
 

That is NOT a put down. THAT IS A REALITY! And I can't help feel, and think, that you guys don't believe it!
What I should do is give you and Rain a ticket to Spain, and spend a week in Granada so you can see how many guitar pickers you can find that will make your hair go weird and crazy. Those people are not only mixing things, they are doing things that rock music can't even conceive! But it's not important because you like this and he likes that?

 
Send tickets immediately.
 
Thanks.
 

I'm not saying, and NEVER HAVE, that you guys are not capable or good. I simply said that you might expand the ear a bit and hear something else and learn more about your instrument! Hopefully!
(From theater and film experience, this makes you better with what you already do!)

 
Hang on a minute, when did this suddenly become about my playing abilities?
 
I don’t listen to stuff to learn. I can download any number of lessons in every conceivable style if I wanted to learn stuff.

... Pop=too commercial; Clash=media hyped; etc. ...

 
Give it a break! When you start listening to a couple of "out there" things, maybe you will know the difference, and what I am saying! Doesn't mean you are not good, or very professional with what you do!
 

 
This is getting tiresome. What has any of this thread got to do with me?
 

... You're opinions are valid, but I just don't understand the constant insinuations that the music you listen to is somehow superior to stuff others enjoy. It actually makes you sound like a bit of a music 'snob', and your attitude means you come across as a bit of a tool. ...

 
Easy! Really easy!
Rock'n'roll, pop music and the related idioms is the SIMPLEST form of music that anyone can learn and play. When you start trying to jam with Rachmaninoff or Stravinsky, let me know ... I will be there playing empty buckets to support you!
 
How much of music history have you ever studied to say that? And not realize the simplicity of rock music for the most part?
 

 
So what?
 
The simplicity or not of any piece of music is irrelevant to whether it’s enjoyable to listen to or not.
 

For me, this is why things like "Tales from Topographic Oceans", "Thick as a Brick", "A Passion Play", 666 (Aphrodite's Child's), Eruption (Focus), Karn Evil #9, and other pieces are "classical music" and do not quite fit in the rock idioms with one exception ... it's the same instruments and its electric! The intent is way out there above and beyong a HIT SONG and a HIT BAND, and specially so for the kissers in The Rolling Stone and the old Melody Maker magazines, who used to love saying things like Tangerine Dream sound like washing machine music, and that idiot OBVIOUSLY never heard a washing machine in his life to make that comparison!
 

 
Yawn zzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
Heard it all before.
 
You’re like a broken record.
 

It's unbelievable that you, a musician, would even ASK that question!
 

 
Non-sequitur.
 
Whether I’m a musician or not is irrelevant to whether I like certain types of music or not.
 

Now you know why so many folks in the classical music business dismiss "pop" music! It does not take as much talent and concentration as it does for the other music. But you would rather tell Mosh that he is stuck up?
 

 
So what?
 
 

... But who am I to know. You mightn't be quite so transparent and shallow as I'm led to believe...

 
Shallow for me is people who don't know, or believe that there are not other possibilities out there that we can imagine, foresee or even understand. The transparency of the rest is the "secret" behind one's abilities and talents.
 

 
This doesn’t make any sense.
 
 

IF, you want to be good, as an actor, you don't go around doing Richard Burton, or Lawrence Olivier, or Jack Nicholson, or Shirley MacLaine, or Maggie Smith, or Judy Dench! You go out, and you be YOURSELF, and you test your strenghts and weaknesses so you can get better. But here, SADLY, if we even come close to mentioning that, you guys take on the stature of the rock god on the stage, and you can't learn anything. You are the STAR! God bless your bum and cock!

 
My bum and cock thank your god.
 

I love you guys as much as anyone else here. I try hard to show you that there is something else out there. It's a bit sad for me, when some of you look at this and take offense, instead of going to the Internet, pulling out Rachmaninoff, Stravinsky and many other godforsaken things that Mosh mentions, and find out ... wow ... that is different ... I can't even play that on my guitar! But NO. Instead you say that Mosh has a language problem and you guys are offended.
 

 
You think I’m uneducated with regard to classical music?
 
My aunt played viola with The City Of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra for many years, many of them under Simon Rattle. But of course, none of that rubbed off on me.
 
 
 

I wanna tell you something offensive, that really hurt, a year ago. My dad's remains, were finally moved to Lisbon, 30plus years after he died. In a local board in Lisbon, some socialist ****er was upset that the government spent money on a writer, instead of feeding the folks that had no jobs. My sister, as well meaning as she can be, took offense to my comments, which were ... a country with no artists, writers, musicians and painters, has no soul. If you don't appreciate some of them, there is no food out there that will EVER satisfy you! My sister goes ... why do you reply and post in a board where most people are uneducated and have no idea what you are saying?
 
I tell you why Strummie ... because that is one thought, idea and concept I do not like, the upper class snobbery that our family had because of the world wide known writer published in more than 40 languages. But all you can think of, is rock music and its commercial and popular appeal. And that writer is not one of my favorites, but he is a massive inspiration to what you have to do to be more than just ... a local guitarist compared to all the other guitarists, because you yourself have no personality to do your own thing and stand up behind it! That's what it's about isn't it? The courage, strength and desire to stand up for yourself and your own work. Yes, even the Clash deserve the nod!
 

 
Again, what has any of this got to do with me, or my ambitions?
 
You’re waffling with pretentious drivel.
 

So, go ahead ... as John Lennon used to say ... working class heroes! I found that a bit offensive because I'm a worker too, but in the end, the statement was bigger than that ... it meant we didn't know any better, and were not strong enough to learn MORE and possibly BETTER.
 
I'm not about to compare the Clash to Jean Genet, or Rimbaud, or Mapplethorpe. I don't see the point. But the Clash's work does not stand up very well against a lot of writers, painters, musicians and other artists out there ... but you have to have an open mind to check that out, and not think the world is centered around your guitar and the 100 tunes that you know by heart! All you are comparing yourself to is a bunch of other guitarists, and they are not, necessarily, the best out there. Maybe you wanna try some Egberto Gismonti one day!

 
Who says “the Clash's work does not stand up very well against a lot of writers, painters, musicians and other artists out there”?
 
You?
 
So feckin’ what.
 
Sorry mate, but you're fast becoming the forum bore, and that's a shame.
 
 
 
 

 
SHOWING that we do any homework - I'm not here to display my knowledge.
 
You want me to brag for an hour about obscure old bands and musicians from Québec and France I'm sure you have no f'in clue about? Want me to dig through my dark electro/industrial music collection and put together a list of 200 artists you've never ever knew existed?
 
Is this what you want? What purpose would that serve? People can Google that crap.
 
I've given reasons before as to why people usually stick to more common denominator - because, if you have any hint of social skills, you try to mingle and find common denominators. Social skills. 
 
Unless you all you want is to try to impress the gallery and put others down to make yourself feel better about yourself.
 
As I said in a recent post, if you believe that knowing thousands of obscure bands make you an awesome person, I'm sorry for you.
 
WTF do you think you are to tell us we have homework to do? You have homework to do. You need to learn social skills and by your own admission, your english skills could use some work. For starters. YOU do your homework. This is a forum, not a classroom. We're here to discuss, not to be given speeches.
 
ASLO, I said it before, you don't know me from Adam, pal. You don't know what I know. You don't know whether I have given a fair listen to anything - it's all in your head, all assumptions. 
 
And even if someone here didn't know all those prog bands you're constantly bragging about... Well, maybe it's because they put the time to learning to play an instrument and to write music and to record it. You say we shouldn't look down on what you say only because you aren't a musician. 
 
But you have nothing to say, Mosh.
 
All YOU have is other's culture.
 
You have no f'in clue what really makes a good musician, what a musician should really focus on  - all you have is what musicians that you admire told the press, what they said was their influences. No one needs you to know that. They can read it for themselves. 
 
You're like a monk trying to teach sex ed to a multi platinum touring rock band. Or a sterile man telling pregnant ladies that he knows more about the wonders of maternity than they do.
 
Do you realize how ridicule?
 
When I was working in that bar, I've known a couple of guys who knew all these prog bands and were constantly putting other music down and trying to educate people. Anyway, they were ALL complete social misfits, losers in their 30-40s, most of them living in their mom's basement, they'd never had a girlfriend, etc... One of them was probably the biggest Peter Hammill fan on the planet.
 
Typically, they would get drunk, embarrass themselves and everybody in the place. They were obsessed by music - prog music, that is - and would always feel they had to educate the rest of us.

Moshkiae
I only know the English I know. 

 
BS. I'm a francophone.
 
I spent the first 30 years of my life in small towns where everyone spoke french and where you couldn't even rent a movie in english. In fact, I lived in French Canada until we embarked on the tour in 2011, though I did work w/ anglophones between 2002 and 2009. 
 
Knowing only the english you know if that were true would not be an excuse. But it would instead be a good reason for one to be a little more careful and to accept criticism. 
 
If that really was your issue, you wouldn't be fighting back so hard to drive that same point across. It not your language, it's your attitude.
 

Moshkiae
 
What I should do is give you and Rain a ticket to Spain
 

 
Speaking through you hat, again. Shows how much you know. I've been to Spain Mosh. I've been to Russia. I've been to a few places here in the US and a few places back home in Canada.
 
Might interest that you know that my wife was on a "little" show that toured the world for a few years with some top notch flamenco dancers and guitar players from Spain, who to this day, remain friends of ours. Those guys do indeed play some amazing stuff.
 
That's one example among thousands of others.
 
So, see, contrarily to what you seem to believe, you need not to be involved at any point for people to immerse themselves into other cultures or to discover and appreciate music. No one's waiting for you to access "second-hand" knowledge. 
 
And that's what this is all about Mosh.
 
Your input is not needed. It's not even yours.
 

 
Krist, I can tell from your tone that you're obviously jealous...
 
 
Of me.
 
 
Just because Moshpit didn't ask his god to bless your bum and cock.
 
 

SteveStrummerUK
 
Krist, I can tell from your tone that you're obviously jealous...
 
 
Of me.
 
 
Just because Moshpit didn't ask his god to bless your bum and cock.
 
 

 
I think it must be a quote from a missing bootleg Goons/Pete 'n Dud/Monty Python etc script.
 
That only Mosh has seen.
 
In any case, how does he know I have a cock?
 
I might be a woman of the opposite sex in real life.
 
I would have a bum though.
 
 

Is this an inappropriate time to mention that I really like A Flock of Seagulls?
(And that I have, at least, 800 artists that probably none of you have ever heard of? )

 
But can you name the band and song from whence A Flock Of Seagulls took their name?