2013/11/30 10:58:19
jamesg1213
Moshkiae
jamesg1213
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Someone owes Dean a lot of money for the 'floating islands' in Avatar though..




Cameron is being sued for it.
 
I refuse to see Avatar because of it. I do not support killers, rapists and thiefs of work from our best friends and fellow artists!



A bit over the top that Pedro.




 
But this is just like Daevid Allen and Gong and Mike Oldfield, still suing the guy with the color balls that everyone treats like some kind of hero and he got there by ripping people off royally! I guess that's expected in England!




 
Who?
2013/11/30 11:09:15
Moshkiae
Hi,
 
The only thing I have never been satisfied with is that the LP, created a limitation that I think hurt a lot of music.
 
All of a sudden, a lot of symphonies, were 20x20 (2 sides of an LP), and I seriously doubt that a Beethoven, or Mozart, or anyone else, for hundreds of years, would have written something that exactly 20 minutes or 40 minutes long, so that in the mid 20th century it would fit an ugly thing called "LP".
 
I think that over the years, a lot of these have been cut up and down to the point where we do not know what parts we are missing, and this is criminal to any artist. When you listen to Beethoven's 5th or 9th, and stand aside, there is something missing! The sequencing does not follow as clear as we would imagine it to, and in the 9th, the Choral part is kinda totally out there and not quite a part of it all, unless you create a story with martians and plutonians and idiots.
 
For the things like TFTO, TAAB, CTTE, AHMS, Echoes, and many other pieces, I think that most of those people were already aware of the time limitation and writing something becomes a bit of an exercise in making sure you do it right and can end it in that time.
 
And the really nice thing of the CD, is that the time limitation is gone, and that allows for some freedoms, except Strummy. He only knows 3 minute cuts. Maybe 4!   
 
And this is the important side of it all, and seeing Djam Karet create something that has no time limitations like a Cassette or LP did, pretty much tells you that there are possibilities in music that we are not aware of, and in many cases (like here with "songs"), we are afraid to even listen to them, because our attention span is so commercialized by everything around us!
 
 
 
2013/11/30 11:14:54
Moshkiae

...
 But this is just like Daevid Allen and Gong and Mike Oldfield, still suing the guy with the color balls that everyone treats like some kind of hero and he got there by ripping people off royally! I guess that's expected in England!

Who?
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Maybe I should change that to "the guy with the colored flying balls" ...
 
It's not over the top!
 
What it tells you is that you will not have a chance because you will get ripped off, and might not survive it to continue! If you and I are 50 years old, that might be ok, and we're too old to continue or have energy for it, but if it were your child and he/she just had the life stolen from under them and they have no idea ... you would be saying "over the top" and then ignore the rip off and corruption?
 
Get ce'real!
 
"The City of Lost Children" ... because the parents don't know any better and support the stealing?
2013/11/30 11:21:29
jamesg1213
Moshkiae

...
 But this is just like Daevid Allen and Gong and Mike Oldfield, still suing the guy with the color balls that everyone treats like some kind of hero and he got there by ripping people off royally! I guess that's expected in England!

Who?
...



Maybe I should change that to "the guy with the colored flying balls" ...
 
It's not over the top!
 
What it tells you is that you will not have a chance because you will get ripped off, and might not survive it to continue! If you and I are 50 years old, that might be ok, and we're too old to continue or have energy for it, but if it were your child and he/she just had the life stolen from under them and they have no idea ... you would be saying "over the top" and then ignore the rip off and corruption?
 
Get ce'real!
 
"The City of Lost Children" ... because the parents don't know any better and support the stealing?




You know perfectly well that I'm saying your choice of words is over the top. I agree that Cameron should give Dean his due for the obvious use of his images. Having said that, if Rene Magritte were alive, he might have sued Dean for ripping off 'Castle of the Pyrenees'.
 
As to the rest, I still have no idea what you're talking about.
2013/11/30 11:26:04
SteveStrummerUK
 
I only know 3 minute cuts, me.
 
Possibly 4.
 
Whatever that means.
 
I have got big colourful balls if that helps....
 
Or you want to sue me.
 
They're not flying though.
 
 
 
2013/11/30 12:07:24
craigb
Comprehension - a thing of the past?
2013/12/01 11:17:42
Moshkiae
craigb
Comprehension - a thing of the past?




No. You guys have a closed school of humor for your own club and you think that the rest of the folks are ****ed up! So one person can joke but the other can't because you play stupid?
2013/12/01 11:33:51
scook
I just don't get it.
2013/12/02 11:33:37
rontarrant
Rain
I think there's still a market for albums. I can't imagine David Gilmour fans being happier with a single than a full length album.

Interesting observation, Rain. I may be wrong, but if memory serves, Gilmour's concerts are album-oriented, too.
2013/12/02 11:56:28
batsbrew
Rain
http://variety.com/2013/biz/news/katy-perrys-prism-a-good-example-of-how-albums-dont-work-anymore-1200824933/
 
Personally, I'm an "album" kind of guy - always been. These days, however, albums have become so incredibly long (while our attention span was taking a dramatic dive) that I rarely listen to recent albums. That's not even mentioning poor songwriting and arrangements and how repetitive contemporary music often is.
Couple that with the fact that modern production makes them indigestible anyway, and it's obvious that 80 minutes would be unbearable.
 
I'm glad I got to live in the good old days of LPs, sit back and enjoy those 30-45 minutes journeys...



 
the best albums, to me, where always the ones that fell inside of 40 minutes...
 
10 really good 3 minute songs.
yea.
 
 
of course, i also am greatly influenced by instrumental, and progressive rock, where arrangements and melodies are more important than length of songs...
so i ride the fence on some of my own stuff.
 
 
but when i've put my two previous albums together, i've really spent a LOT of time working out the flow of the album..
with the idea being, if someone was really interested in my stuff, they would be rewarded with a classic 'full-album' listening experience.
 
 
but i gotta say, there are very few professional releases i hear any more these days, that seem to go to the trouble to do that.
 
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