Glyn Barnes
Deciding the play order even for albums of unrelated songs used to be an art form and it can be quite startling when the familiar order is disturbed.

I have to agree. When I bought Abbey Road on CD, I couldn't listen to it because they changed the order. It just felt totally wrong.

As far as album length, be grateful most of you hate hip-hop.  For some reason, a good chunk of mainstream rappers think they are comedians and have to ad a ton of not funny skits to an album that contains 1 or 2 radio hits with a bunch of filler.  There have been a few that were mildly amusing since Prince Paul started the trend, but most are just awful.
 
I also think the decline of the album is a case of the music industry outsmarting itself.  I worked closely with a number of labels around the time the shift towards single based marketing started and I can tell you album decline was not the master plan.  I genuinely believe the hope was that pushing singles so strongly would reult in stronger album sales.  Instead it resulted in quicker album sales based off the single, but the drop is a lot steeper.

Hi,
 
Weird that no one caught on to the post about length of things, which is probably the worst thing that the LP ever did for music!
 
The quality and everything else aside, in the end, this was perfect for pop music and small cuts, but it greatly distorted and hurt classical music! So all of Beethoven's Symphonies are 20x20 ... and no one gives a damn about the composition ... what else is knew ... all you guys are thinking is pop music!
 
THERE IS MORE MUSIC OUT THERE!

Moshkiae
all you guys are thinking is pop music!
 
THERE IS MORE MUSIC OUT THERE!

Mosh...
 
 
The constant lecturing of people is kind of getting old, man. 
 
Almost every time you post, it's to put down people's musical preferences, based on assumptions.
 
I started this thread. I told you in a different thread (where you once more tried to lecture me for other reasons) that I've actually studied classical music. I LOVE classical music. Many folks here do too, I'm sure - we're musicians.
 
You could have made your point without accusing people and "screaming" at them (because classical music indeed benefits from the CD format indeed).
 
It's sad that your delivery style and constant attacks on people actually get in the way of some totally valid points - though often in the wrong context anyway. 
 
For example, in this case, no one was saying that the additional play time brought by the CD was inherently bad. Just that pop albums were better kept short. But you once again decided to twist that around and interpret it so that you could lecture us.
 
Really man, you're among pals. No one comes here to be lectured. 

Hi,
 
It's so weird, that just because someone disagrees it is considered a "put down".
 
I'm not putting anyone down, just making a comment that the LP had its upside (rock music) and its down side (classical music), but the only really valid point you can make is that you have to defend your pop music and not the whole spectrum of music.
 
And I get told that I'm short sighted!
 
I don't write to say ... you are stupid, and you don't know music! That's insane, bizarre and off its rocker and mark by then thousand million years, and I still have 2k LP's in my collection!
 
No one sits here and says Steinbeck is a jerk, or Hemingway is a wuss, or Hesse is an idiot, or that Shakespeare is an opinionated son of a lurch, or that Milton sux ideas, or that .... stop giving me excuses about attitude ... and totally IGNORE the meat of the subject!
 
I know you all love the music, but no one, including you, could wonder ... ohh wow ... 9 symphonies and they all the same ... hmmmm ... because you haven't heard any of them except a little piece here and there to know what I would be talking about! So, just suck it up man ... you got homework to do and I got some more softness to learn, but you coming along telling me that your rock music is more important than anything else because of a song, is a bit old, and tired!
 
Sorry if you think this is about attitude. It's not! It's about the subject, that you ignored on purpose, becuase you thought it hit you somewhere else ... now why the fudge would I even bother having to kick you in the butt? Childish?

 

Moshkiae
Hi,
 
It's so weird, that just because someone disagrees it is considered a "put down".
 
I'm not putting anyone down, just making a comment that the LP had its upside (rock music) and its down side (classical music), but the only really valid point you can make is that you have to defend your pop music and not the whole spectrum of music.
 
And I get told that I'm short sighted!
 
I don't write to say ... you are stupid, and you don't know music! That's insane, bizarre and off its rocker and mark by then thousand million years, and I still have 2k LP's in my collection!
 
No one sits here and says Steinbeck is a jerk, or Hemingway is a wuss, or Hesse is an idiot, or that Shakespeare is an opinionated son of a lurch, or that Milton sux ideas, or that .... stop giving me excuses about attitude ... and totally IGNORE the meat of the subject!
 
I know you all love the music, but no one, including you, could wonder ... ohh wow ... 9 symphonies and they all the same ... hmmmm ... because you haven't heard any of them except a little piece here and there to know what I would be talking about! So, just suck it up man ... you got homework to do and I got some more softness to learn, but you coming along telling me that your rock music is more important than anything else because of a song, is a bit old, and tired!
 
Sorry if you think this is about attitude. It's not! It's about the subject, that you ignored on purpose, becuase you thought it hit you somewhere else ... now why the fudge would I even bother having to kick you in the butt? Childish?

Mosh - you don't disagree you LECTURE people. All the time. As I said, it may be your delivery style, but you're doing it again in this reply.
 
The subject of this message was in the article posted by me in the OP - Pop music album sales drop. The rest is all in your head.
 
And YOU ARE attacking people, all the time. 
 
Telling me that I got homework to do, to just suck it up, telling us that "all we think about is pop", yelling (that's what CAP LOCK is, in case you didn't know that THERE IS MORE MUSIC OUT THERE)...
 
Ripping on The Clash when someone mention them, ripping on my choice of songs when I bought my SG (completely missing the point)...
 
It's not softness that you miss bro - it's social skills. I don't mind a heated exchange, far from it. 
 
Never anywhere did I say that rock music was important. But if I talk about rock music, then that's the topic - and if you barge into the discussion and start accusing people of only thinking of rock, then you're not welcome and you'll be told so.
 
If I could, I would suggest you drop literature and music for a while and spend some time working on your social skills and reading about netiquette.
 
Just consider the number of time you've been told in recent threads that people didn't understand a thing you were saying... As clever as you like to think you are, you have a severe issue w/ communication Mosh. 
 
Ironically so, considering that both literature and music are communication forms.

Rain
...
Mosh - you don't disagree you LECTURE people. All the time. As I said, it may be your delivery style, but you're doing it again in this reply.
 ...

 
Maybe you should consider how you are saying things, when someone disagrees with you!
 
I'm saying something, BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE AND LISTENING AND LEARNING, and you are saying that this experience is NOT VALID.
 
Well .. **** you! I was around radio in the 70's and 80's and saw many people say ... it's not rock'n'roll, and this and that, and inane comments about music, that only showed they did not know MUSIC ... they only knew their favorites, and it BOTHERS YOU ... because someone is calling your bluff!
 
Btw, attacks HURT ... but the words don't have to, though, as a form of literature one could say the pen is mightier than the sword. But that's because your ego takes offense, or mine, or anyone else's, not because of the subject itself.
 

Ripping on The Clash when someone mention them, ripping on my choice of songs when I bought my SG (completely missing the point)...

 
That's ok. One of these days, you will know something about music, that you fail to see, and hear, and learn something for yourself. The problem is that I'm not a better musician than you, and therefore you will not listen or have respect for it!
You simply can't imagine a person who is not a musician talk about music so passionately ... !!!
 
And, btw, it's not the guitar that makes you. It's YOU. So, for all I care you can have as many SG's as you want! Or Fenders, or Gibbies! Oh, it's also used in Japan, South Africa, Sweden, Iran, China, Argentina ... ohh I forget ... you wouldn't know that since you can only listen to the Clash!

 
Pedro, why is it, that just because somebody listens to music that you don't like (or more accurately - don't approve of - for whatever reasons), you feel the need to try and ridicule them?
 
For someone who obviously listens to a wide and eclectic variety of music, you obviously seem to miss the point of it sometimes - actually listening to stuff because it sounds good. Instead, your first instinct seems to be to want to categorise it somehow, and crucially not in a musical way, but by all-encompassing genre-specific terms, often dismissing them on very loose and highly subjective terms, such as: Pop=too commercial; Clash=media hyped; etc.
 
You're opinions are valid, but I just don't understand the constant insinuations that the music you listen to is somehow superior to stuff others enjoy. It actually makes you sound like a bit of a music 'snob', and your attitude means you come across as a bit of a tool.
 
And seeing that you obviously think that you've hit on a bit of a raw nerve with your on-going disparagement of The Clash, let's see if we can get to the bottom of all this. In a previous post, I was half-joking about not bothering to reply to your "media-friendly" jibe, I honestly thought you were just trying to wind me up.
 
So what do you really know about The Clash? And not the stuff you can read online, but what do you really know about their history, their formation, their eventual demise, and their relationship with the media?
 
And although it might seem like a bit of a irrelevance to you, what do you really think of their music? How many Clash albums have you listened to? And listened to often enough to form genuine musical/lyrical/production etc opinions about?
 
I may be wrong, but to me you seem like a bit of a 'McCue' character on the sly. You love to sound like the big "I am" expert when you're discussing things and talking down to others, but unfortunately, every now and again your bullsh!t, and your lazy Google 'research' just doesn't cut the mustard when you inadvertently stumble upon someone who really knows about the subject at hand. Then you start scrambling around and talking in a very non-specific fashion, backtracking and trying to escape with as much of your worthless reputation intact as you can.
 
So come on, let's have a proper discussion about The Clash. And I'm happy for you to discuss anything relating to the band, the personnel, the management. Whatever. Let's go.
 
Sh1t, I've even got books written by members of their road crew for fecks sake.
 
Sadly I was too young in '76/'77, but a dear old mate of mine used to literally go on tour with them. He was one of the band's rather famous gang of followers/liggers that they (Joe in particular) used to sneak in to their hotel rooms and into gigs because they realised most of these die-hard fans couldn't afford to stay in hotels and buy tickets for every concert. In fact (and as an self-professed Clash expert, you'll probably already know this), the lyrics of the song Complete Control make specific mention of this latter practice:

• On the last tour my mates couldn't get in
  I'd open up the back door but they'd get run out again

 

 
 
So, although I wasn't actually 'there' like him, I have of course heard plenty of his tales of what went on behind the scenes from the horse's mouth.
 
My guess is that you've probably heard a few fleeting snippets of later-era Clash singles on the radio, and maybe also read a few column inches here and there to form your current opinion.
 
But who am I to know. You mightn't be quite so transparent and shallow as I'm led to believe...
 
So go on - try me.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

So there's more to them then deciding whether they should stay or go and rock the cat box?
 
(Ok, I'm leaving now.  )

Moshkiae
 
 
Maybe you should consider how you are saying things, when someone disagrees with you!
 
I'm saying something, BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE AND LISTENING AND LEARNING, and you are saying that this experience is NOT VALID.
 
Well .. **** you! 

 
:)
 
Your experience is valid - I've never said the opposite. But the fact that it is valid doesn't make it universal. Shoving it in our face is rude and uncalled for. 
 
This thread isn't about almighty Pedro and his experience.
 
You think you bother me because you're calling my "bluff"? How delusional...
 
This is NOT a contest. I'm talking about things I like, or some of them. I never pretended they were the greatest on earth. Your reply was irrelevant.
 
If I were here bragging about the obscure prog bands that you like, you'd be most welcome to call me on it. But calling me on what I like? Irrelevant.
 
If you believe that your experience could benefit mankind, go start a blog. Don't bother trying to teach me stuff. I don't come here to learn what Pedro thinks is good music or how I should work on improving my musical tastes. 
 
Your experience doesn't make you any better than anyone here - not me, nor anyone else. Just get over your self or keep on posting irrelevant and inadequate replies. 
 
We all have experience, we don't NEED you to tell us what is good music and what isn't. If we wanted suggestions, we'd ask, politely.
 
No matter what you say, it doesn't change a thing. No one is forced to accept that what you believe is superior is any better than what they already like.
 
I love the way you have to tell me that I fail to see something about music and that someday I'll know... How presumptuous! 
 
I don't even listen to the Clash. Once again you don't have a clue and you're trying to lecture me based on an assumption.
 
I play a SG, but I also play a couple of Les Paul's, and a strat and a bass and keyboard and whatever I can put my hands on. 
 
So whatever esoteric subjective point it is you were trying to make about "the guitar not making you" was once again irrelevant, inadequate and a complete presumption.
 
I don't care about your experience and whether you play music or not - as a fellow forum user, all I have to go by is your attitude and your constant unsolicited lessons and bad manners. 
 
 
 
I'm not hurt or mad at you, Pedro, not even after you accused me of bluffing and told me "f*** you". I wish you no harm, but, seriously, I don't care for you and what you think - you're the only one thinking that what you have to say has any importance. To me, you're annoying, and that's all. 
 
I thought it was worth asking you to drop the attitude and join in the friendly conversation. Apparently, it was not worth it. 
 
So this is my reply AT you, not to you.