SteveStrummerUK

Rain
 
If you believe that your experience could benefit mankind, go start a blog.

 
Oops - too late Krist

I should have known. lol
 

Rain

SteveStrummerUK

Rain
 
If you believe that your experience could benefit mankind, go start a blog.

 
Oops - too late Krist

I should have known. lol
 

Pity he hasn't got a forum on there.
 
I could.... *ahem*..... 'review' his .... er ....poetry
 
 

craigb
Hmm...  Goldfrapp.  My frapps are anything but golden, I guess I'll have to go research this one!  (I've already got the rest.  )

I mentioned it in a previous list, so you may or may not have this one, but if you like down tempo/trip hop-ish stuff w/ female vocalists, you might want to check out the first record by Elsiane, a duo from Montreal. It's called Hybrid.
 
Unfortunately, it doesn't have that warm analog sound, but in terms of vibe, it's one of my favourite in recent years. It's one album that I can listen from the first to the last cut. In fact, I can't not listen to the whole thing if I put it on.
 
I've only previewed their second album, but it didn't seem quite as magic as the first one. I'll have to give it another try someday. 

@ Rain, I'd hate to see a yet another really good topic get derailed and locked. Therefore in this case I don't report, I much rather ignore  
 
RE: Albums a Thing of the Past? 
The other sad thing about the music scene is that most of the best 'newly released' music is hard to find; gets buried too deep beneath the hype. The majors continue to monopolize, manipulate public perception and a lot of kids lap it up. I mean duh, just because it's a cute face on the front page of a popular teen magazine means the music is great? {ahem} {diarrhea} {vomit} And it's not just Pop music to single out and complain about, other genres nowadays from Hip-Hop to Rock and Metal has it's good, not so good and awfully freaking horrible. 
 
I love all styles of music from 10,000.BC (sticks and rocks), to Classical, to all out new genres. Music purchasing is a task my wife does (for both of us) whilst I support really good independent bands, the gems buried deep beneath the hype.

 
 
 

Rain
I mentioned it in a previous list, so you may or may not have this one, but if you like down tempo/trip hop-ish stuff w/ female vocalists, you might want to check out the first record by Elsiane, a duo from Montreal. It's called Hybrid.
 
Unfortunately, it doesn't have that warm analog sound, but in terms of vibe, it's one of my favourite in recent years. It's one album that I can listen from the first to the last cut. In fact, I can't not listen to the whole thing if I put it on.
 
I've only previewed their second album, but it didn't seem quite as magic as the first one. I'll have to give it another try someday. 

Did a quick check and liked what I heard - I'll add it to the list to check out later tonight!
 
Now, here's one for you (ignoring the bunches of better known female vocalists for now  ).
 
Vanessa Daou - Zipless
 
 

Never heard of her - I'll check that out! Thx!

SongCraft
@ Rain, I'd hate to see a yet another really good topic get derailed and locked. Therefore in this case I don't report, I much rather ignore  
 
RE: Albums a Thing of the Past? 
The other sad thing about the music scene is that most of the best 'newly released' music is hard to find; gets buried too deep beneath the hype. The majors continue to monopolize, manipulate public perception and a lot of kids lap it up. I mean duh, just because it's a cute face on the front page of a popular teen magazine means the music is great? {ahem} {diarrhea} {vomit} And it's not just Pop music to single out and complain about, other genres nowadays from Hip-Hop to Rock and Metal has it's good, not so good and awfully freaking horrible. 
 
I love all styles of music from 10,000.BC (sticks and rocks), to Classical, to all out new genres. Music purchasing is a task my wife does (for both of us) whilst I support really good independent bands, the gems buried deep beneath the hype.
 

Thanks, then. :)
 
Sounds a bit like here, where my wife actually suffers through the process of trying to weed out the bad stuff and maybe come up with a few things which are really worth listening. Me I don't have her patience. lol
 
I'm actually just getting back to more mainstream rock after years of being into dark electro/industrial/noise and all that scene. I have hundreds of obscure records by hundreds of small obscure "bands" which I doubt all that many folks around here have heard.
 
I then spent a phase where I immersed myself into traditional Chinese and Japanese music. For over a year, that's practically all I listened to besides classical music.
 
We come here to interact with people, try to find things we have in common. At some point, I think it's a good thing to mingle in. I have much better chances to find other Black Sabbath fans to discuss with than I'm likely to find Feindflug or Unter Null fans. And if someone shows up and also know lots of those and tons of others, like my old pal Craig, all the better. 
 
Anyway, these days, I'm into classic rock. I feel I've earned a right to go back to my simplistic roots. If I say that Highway to Hell is one frickin' awesome song to play or that I like KISS, it's not because I don't know better. I don't see a point in coming here and dropping a bunch of band names that no one else is likely to know, unless it's what we're talking about.
 
Otherwise, if alienating ourselves was the point, I'd write in french and only write about music from Quebec and France. Et ça serait vachement chiant pour vous, mes potes! :P

Hi,
 

Pedro, why is it, that just because somebody listens to music that you don't like (or more accurately - don't approve of - for whatever reasons), you feel the need to try and ridicule them?

 
I only know the English I know. If someone thinks they are being ridiculed, maybe they should/could look in the mirror, and find out why I would say something about something else as a COMPARISON point, that many of you folks appear to not accept.
 
The Clash is fine, but you folks are not showing that you are doing any homework, to even have any idea what I'm saying (I guess) and that is sad. No matter how much I say there is music out there, the only thing you can talk about is Phil and Garry, and Jimi, and Eric, but you (and Rain) do not appear to have given the others a FAIR listen, to find out what it is all about. Simply because it looks like they did not sell, or get as famous as The Clash, or Black Sabbath!
 
If you think that "study" is stupid, that is your choice, but I will state right now, that you are missing some living and life that is amazing and very nice, out there. But it all becomes like Germany guitarists are stupid, Norwegian guitarists are bad, Japanese guitarists aren't any good, Chinese guitarists are bizarre ... because all you can compare it to is 4 or 5 Anglo-Saxon folks, that only played one kind of music!
 
That is NOT a put down. THAT IS A REALITY! And I can't help feel, and think, that you guys don't believe it!
What I should do is give you and Rain a ticket to Spain, and spend a week in Granada so you can see how many guitar pickers you can find that will make your hair go weird and crazy. Those people are not only mixing things, they are doing things that rock music can't even conceive! But it's not important because you like this and he likes that?
 
I'm not saying, and NEVER HAVE, that you guys are not capable or good. I simply said that you might expand the ear a bit and hear something else and learn more about your instrument! Hopefully!
(From theater and film experience, this makes you better with what you already do!)
 

... Pop=too commercial; Clash=media hyped; etc. ...

Give it a break! When you start listening to a couple of "out there" things, maybe you will know the difference, and what I am saying! Doesn't mean you are not good, or very professional with what you do!
 

... You're opinions are valid, but I just don't understand the constant insinuations that the music you listen to is somehow superior to stuff others enjoy. It actually makes you sound like a bit of a music 'snob', and your attitude means you come across as a bit of a tool. ...

 
Easy! Really easy!
Rock'n'roll, pop music and the related idioms is the SIMPLEST form of music that anyone can learn and play. When you start trying to jam with Rachmaninoff or Stravinsky, let me know ... I will be there playing empty buckets to support you!
 
How much of music history have you ever studied to say that? And not realize the simplicity of rock music for the most part?
 
For me, this is why things like "Tales from Topographic Oceans", "Thick as a Brick", "A Passion Play", 666 (Aphrodite's Child's), Eruption (Focus), Karn Evil #9, and other pieces are "classical music" and do not quite fit in the rock idioms with one exception ... it's the same instruments and its electric! The intent is way out there above and beyong a HIT SONG and a HIT BAND, and specially so for the kissers in The Rolling Stone and the old Melody Maker magazines, who used to love saying things like Tangerine Dream sound like washing machine music, and that idiot OBVIOUSLY never heard a washing machine in his life to make that comparison!
 
It's unbelievable that you, a musician, would even ASK that question!
 
Now you know why so many folks in the classical music business dismiss "pop" music! It does not take as much talent and concentration as it does for the other music. But you would rather tell Mosh that he is stuck up?
 

... But who am I to know. You mightn't be quite so transparent and shallow as I'm led to believe...

 
Shallow for me is people who don't know, or believe that there are not other possibilities out there that we can imagine, foresee or even understand. The transparency of the rest is the "secret" behind one's abilities and talents.
 
IF, you want to be good, as an actor, you don't go around doing Richard Burton, or Lawrence Olivier, or Jack Nicholson, or Shirley MacLaine, or Maggie Smith, or Judy Dench! You go out, and you be YOURSELF, and you test your strenghts and weaknesses so you can get better. But here, SADLY, if we even come close to mentioning that, you guys take on the stature of the rock god on the stage, and you can't learn anything. You are the STAR! God bless your bum and cock!
 
I love you guys as much as anyone else here. I try hard to show you that there is something else out there. It's a bit sad for me, when some of you look at this and take offense, instead of going to the Internet, pulling out Rachmaninoff, Stravinsky and many other godforsaken things that Mosh mentions, and find out ... wow ... that is different ... I can't even play that on my guitar! But NO. Instead you say that Mosh has a language problem and you guys are offended.
 
I wanna tell you something offensive, that really hurt, a year ago. My dad's remains, were finally moved to Lisbon, 30plus years after he died. In a local board in Lisbon, some socialist ****er was upset that the government spent money on a writer, instead of feeding the folks that had no jobs. My sister, as well meaning as she can be, took offense to my comments, which were ... a country with no artists, writers, musicians and painters, has no soul. If you don't appreciate some of them, there is no food out there that will EVER satisfy you! My sister goes ... why do you reply and post in a board where most people are uneducated and have no idea what you are saying?
 
I tell you why Strummie ... because that is one thought, idea and concept I do not like, the upper class snobbery that our family had because of the world wide known writer published in more than 40 languages. But all you can think of, is rock music and its commercial and popular appeal. And that writer is not one of my favorites, but he is a massive inspiration to what you have to do to be more than just ... a local guitarist compared to all the other guitarists, because you yourself have no personality to do your own thing and stand up behind it! That's what it's about isn't it? The courage, strength and desire to stand up for yourself and your own work. Yes, even the Clash deserve the nod!
 
So, go ahead ... as John Lennon used to say ... working class heroes! I found that a bit offensive because I'm a worker too, but in the end, the statement was bigger than that ... it meant we didn't know any better, and were not strong enough to learn MORE and possibly BETTER.
 
I'm not about to compare the Clash to Jean Genet, or Rimbaud, or Mapplethorpe. I don't see the point. But the Clash's work does not stand up very well against a lot of writers, painters, musicians and other artists out there ... but you have to have an open mind to check that out, and not think the world is centered around your guitar and the 100 tunes that you know by heart! All you are comparing yourself to is a bunch of other guitarists, and they are not, necessarily, the best out there. Maybe you wanna try some Egberto Gismonti one day!

SongCraft
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I love all styles of music from 10,000.BC (sticks and rocks), to Classical, to all out new genres. Music purchasing is a task my wife does (for both of us) whilst I support really good independent bands, the gems buried deep beneath the hype.
...

In so many ways, this is what this whole thing is about. And when I mentioned how the LP was good for rock music (mostly short cuts) and not classical music ... nothing. It's like not enough people have heard it to know enough to discuss it ... so Beethoven's 9 symphonies are all 20x20.
 
Gems ... I guess there is a reason why the most expensive gems are buried so deep! 
 
The point is gone! And so is Harry Nilsson!

Moshkiae
you folks are not showing that you are doing any homework, to even have any idea what I'm saying
 

 
There it is again.
 
We don't need to 'do homework' thank you. You're not 'teacher', and we are not 'the pupils'.
 
It's the assumptions you make. The assumptions that no-one here has heard the music you have (we have), no-one here knows anything about literature (we do), no-one here appreciates classical music (we do).

Also, this baseless charge that we somehow 'defend rock and pop music' - I have never seen anyone doing that, in any thread.

You tell us every day that ''there's more music out there'' - we know there is, do you think we're all teenagers here? I could type a list of fifty musicians I could guarantee you've never heard of.

You tell us to broaden our musical horizons, and yet you trot out the same few names, every time, like it's a big secret;

Hammill, Harper, Rypdal, Gong, Amon Duul, Magma, Yes, Can, Froese, Oldfield..

I've heard them all. I own albums by some of them. Some I liked when I was 15, most I 'grew out of' to be honest, but some I still like.

If comedy is mentioned, you're straight in there with Cook and Moore, Spike Milligan, The Goons, The Bonzos - every single time, like Pavlov's Dog (yeah, I've got a couple of their CD's too, before you start). This stuff has been seen, it's been heard, endless times. We know it.

My advice - step away from your own record collection, and starting exploring, because you're right, there is 'more music out there' - but I strongly suspect, you ain't listening to it.

'Look in the mirror' you keep telling us.
 
Practice what you preach Mosh.