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2013/11/27 17:38:32
maximumpower
I am curious. If you are buying a Fender or Gibson, especially the expensive ones, are you buying because...
 
1) They are just better guitars?
2) Your guitar hero plays one?
3) Your non-guitar playing friends/fans have at least heard of Gibson and Fender?
4) Resale value?
5) ?
 
I don't think there is a right or wrong answer, I am just curious as to what the fascination with these brands are.
 
I have played a Strat in a store a few times and I just played on my first Les Paul a few weeks ago. Nice guitars, I just don't own any of them.
 
BTW I am not in the music business and am not conducting market research for anyone lol :-)
2013/11/27 18:16:04
craigb
maximumpower
I am curious. If you are buying a Fender or Gibson, especially the expensive ones, are you buying because...
 
1) They are just better guitars?
2) Your guitar hero plays one?
3) Your non-guitar playing friends/fans have at least heard of Gibson and Fender?
4) Resale value?
5) ?
 
I don't think there is a right or wrong answer, I am just curious as to what the fascination with these brands are.
 
I have played a Strat in a store a few times and I just played on my first Les Paul a few weeks ago. Nice guitars, I just don't own any of them.
 
BTW I am not in the music business and am not conducting market research for anyone lol :-)



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2013/11/27 19:12:11
soens
>As for now, I completely agree that Gibson's popularity has dropped a lot but IMO that's easily due to their over-inflated prices and underachieving quality control!<
 
A sure recipe for bankruptcy! (We'll never die! We're too much in love with ourselves!) 
 
>what a sweet sound of seventies... "This era was so awesome, even the instruments smoked..."<
 
The 60s and 70s were phenomenal times musically for reasons I am not allowed to divulge here (sworn to secrecy), and will never be repeated. It's a shame that they were the foundation for the ____ we have today.
2013/11/27 19:31:28
jbow
maximumpower
I am curious. If you are buying a Fender or Gibson, especially the expensive ones, are you buying because...
 
1) They are just better guitars?
2) Your guitar hero plays one?
3) Your non-guitar playing friends/fans have at least heard of Gibson and Fender?
4) Resale value?
5) ?
 
I don't think there is a right or wrong answer, I am just curious as to what the fascination with these brands are.
 
I have played a Strat in a store a few times and I just played on my first Les Paul a few weeks ago. Nice guitars, I just don't own any of them.
 
BTW I am not in the music business and am not conducting market research for anyone lol :-)


In my case it would be the '58 custom shop plaintop RI, or whatever Gibson calls it now. So... it would be first, the way it looks, probably in "iced tea". Second, it would be because the historic RIs have a longer neck tenon like the original 50s Les Pauls did. I would buy it to play. I wish I had bought one of the GC/Gibson '58 reissues that were out a few years ago. I think they were in the 2k range and were a nice plaintop... I need a time machine!!
That is the only high end guitar I am consistently interested in. Sometimes I think I would like a Suhr Strat or a Chandler Tele but I don't think Chandler is making Teles right now. Both would be to PLAY. Maybe an Anderson Strat or Tele to play.
 
The others are so far out of my price range that is impractical to even consider them but since you asked... a late 50s Les Paul, say a 1959 flametop... they are priced so high that it could only be considered an investment for anyone who isn't insanely rich. However, a good 1964 Stratocaster, if I had the money to buy it... it would be to play it.
 
No "guitar heroes" involved with my guitar choices. If I were to buy a Marshall both the head, cab (bottom only), and speakers would be influenced by Kossoff.
 
J
 
 
2013/11/27 22:29:06
michaelhanson
I don't know, I think the prices between Fenders and Gibson's is all relative. Epiphones pretty much cover the Fender Squire and MIM Fender market. Lower end Gibson LP Studios are about equivalent to the American and American Deluxe Fender USA models. I would expect Gibson LP Standards to be a little higher price because of the mahogany wood in the bodies and necks, the maple cap wood on the bodies, binding, inlays and neck through construction. There is more expensive wood in a LP and more labor involved in this style of production. I have seen Custom Shop Strats that go for 2-3K.

I bought my first Gibson LP Standard back in 1982, seems like I remember paying right around $1,000 for it new back then. Today that guitar sells new for $2,500. What doesn't sell for more now 30 years later? Houses have at least doubled in price. Cars, boats, motorcycles, etc, have all gone up in price in the last 30 years.

How ever, if I still owned that LP Standard that I bought in 1982 today, I bet I could get almost twice what I paid for it today. I bought my Rickenbacker Bass 4003 for $950 new back in 2001 and the are selling for $1,800- 2,000 new today. That's the advantage in my mind to buying a quality instrument. They become vintage in time.

The best bang for your buck these days is buying that high end instrument on the used market. I have seen a lot of steals out there lately if I just had the extra cash on hand, this is a used buyers market right now.
2013/11/28 04:36:16
spacealf
Well, I do not know about Fender except to say that I think one of Eric Clapton's Fender Guitar sold to someone for well over the price to help out the charity that Clapton has with his Crossroads Festivals - something like $750,000 I think someone paid for his guitar.
 
Now, on to Gibson Guitars and actually there is too much to write about, so just a few highlights:
 

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...son_Guitar_Corporation

Started business in 1902.

 In 1936 Gibson introduced their first "Electric Spanish" model, the ES-150 followed by other electric instruments like steel guitars, banjos and mandolins.

n the 1950s, Gibson also produced the Tune-o-matic bridge system and its version of the humbucking pickup, the PAF ("Patent Applied For"), first released in 1957 and still sought after for its sound.

http://www.gibson.com/press/press_history.asp

1921  Gibson employee Ted McHugh, a woodworker who had sung in a group with Orville Gibson, invents two of the most important innovations in guitar history: the adjustable truss rod and the height-adjustable bridge. All Gibson instruments are still equipped with McHugh’s truss rod, and traditional jazz guitars still utilize the bridge he designed.

1952  Gibson introduces its first solidbody electric guitar, the Les Paul Model. To launch its first solidbody electric, Gibson enlists Les Paul, the biggest recording star of the early '50s and an early proponent of the solidbody guitar. The Gibson Les Paul has gone on to become the most successful “artist” guitar in history and an icon for rock and roll music.

1954  Gibson president Ted McCarty, an engineer who does not know how to play guitar, invents the tune-o-matic bridge with individually adjustable saddles. It debuts on the Les Paul Custom in 1954 and is still today the standard bridge on Gibson electric guitars.

1957  The humbucking pickup, a double-coil design, is perfected by Gibson engineer Seth Lover and installed on Gibson's top-line models. It quickly becomes an industry standard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vARFwbhLOM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjGaJj_-itE
 
Well, a guitar that could be worth $450,000 and as the last video shows, one that was worth $400,000 and now is worth $750,000 and lately not too far in the future - one worth perhaps a million.
 
Gibson still makes their guitar the old -fashioned way just like a 100 years ago. In fact instead of using Franklin Titebond glue, they are now going to go back with some models using hide glue which is way more expensive, just like guitars of very old, the way they use to make them say 100-80 years ago or so.
 
Too much to write it, but if you want to know, read the history of Gibson and watch the videos especially the last one listed.
 
 That is only part of the answer - maximumpower!
 
 
2013/11/28 20:04:15
spacealf
And I think a few months ago someone put up a link to plastic guitars made with not a solid plastic body but designed bodies that cost at least $3500 some probably more. So cherish that wood, because there may be only 3-d printer guitars in the future that still cost $5000 or more or whatever due to whatever like living on this Planet.

 
Plastic!
 
2013/11/29 09:59:24
yorolpal
This is one nutty, daft and absolutely meaningless comparo. And based on a completely subjective (and tenuous, to say the least) premise. What next? Fish versus bicycles??

















Plus...everyone knows Strats rule!!!!:-)
2013/11/29 14:43:49
spacealf
Really? Wood will cost more, since plantation wood and trees to be good need 25 years to grow first. (usually  I think that is what they hope for).
 
And how many guitars do you think they make in a year? Report has it that 220 guitars are made a day, only 40 for the hollow-bodies or semi-hollow bodies guitars. Yearly that is somewhere around 120,000 guitars of all the models made in a year.
 
http://www.guitardaterproject.org/gibson.aspx
 
Now, I suppose Epiphone would perhaps make more a day, but the wood used in any made guitar has to be only certain wood, not any ol' wood.
So, I am sure the facts can be looked up somewhere, but when the Big Arm of the we-all-know-who says it is a limited resource and will have more laws of that effect (like the Lacey Act) then perhaps things will change.
 
No, I do not know the future and wood is used for many, many, many things and still there is plastic also in the furniture world and other things making the furniture instead of just wood, and that still leaves the question of the quality of wood and how guitars will be made. Sure it may not add up to all the total amount of wood used in the world and only a small part, but then 2x4's I don't think would make a quality guitar.
 
http://www.guitardaterproject.org/factoryList.aspx
 
Perhaps more like a 100,000 guitars if that (50,000) in a year.
 
2013/11/29 17:45:13
yorolpal
PS: Just saw the picture of Django.  I wish he was still around.  He was a goodun.  Sweet as banana puddin.
 
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