offnote


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4vxOoSS5RY

what a sweet sound of seventies...

"This era was so awesome, even the instruments smoked..."

That's almost like the one that Frank Zappa used, isn't it?

sharke


A list of famous Gibson players, without Frank Zappa. 

Thank you! I already splashed it! On top of it, Eric got his after hearing Frank, I bet ... both George and John had already talked about how good he was!

spacealf


What's this about the price of Gibson guitars. Seems like Fender with the Custom Shop charge just as much. http://www.sweetwater.com...QiOiI0Mjk0OTY3MjEzIn19 Save the wood, I guess.

Well, if we're talking simple standard instruments, an american strat goes for what? around $1000? 


A plain Gibson Les Paul starts at twice as much.


So yes, a custom shop strat is as expensive as a standard non-custom LP.  Those custom ones I often see going for as much as 4 or 5 k.

Hi,
(Aside: I regret having let go of my EB-0 bass 25 years ago ... I really do, even though I traded it for a Fender Jazz Bass in 1982 ... that I liked but ... did not have one third the personality and depth of the Gibbie.)
 
I don't know enough about the instruments themselves to really be able to add to the conversation. However, I seriously doubt that the guitar is what drives the musician as much as we think ... it's too easy to say that "it feels comfortable in my hands", however, that is also like saying that you have found something that you did not have before, or understood before, and that might not necessarily be the instrument, but the time and place!

Edgar Froese used the Fenders until he got more electronic. The use of the guitar on 220 Live is not a Fender and looks like a Stratus Graphite.

Its kinda funny, but it's like saying that I can write better on a computer that has 16G of Memory and is 100 times faster than the computer I use now with W7 and 8G of memory ... and I really think that is an illusion ... that has very little to do with the "inner" sight that you have! Sure, I might be able to do other things on the bigger computer, but "creating" has less to do with the utility than it does with me, or with you!

It's bizarre and this was one of the things that hurt Quake and Doom in the very early days, when people that had better computers always WON the game ... and the big online games made this a non-issue, by making sure the games were run at a certain pace, and your video card only had to render it ... not worry about the speed of the game! It made the gaming even for everyone, and it was one of the things that hurt Everquest and their raiding system!

All in all, there are so many choices that sometimes thinking that one is better than the other is no different than ... the grass is greener on the other side.

Is Bapu a better bass player because he has one of them ... things? ... I don't think so ... he was good before then ... but it gives the illusion that a higher cost/level instrument makes you a better player, which is bollocks! ...

Funny bit here ... a psychic friend of mine used to say some funny things ... like .. the more you charge, the better they listen ... so yeah ... go spend your 2 and 3 grand ... so you WILL pay attention to your lessons and learning! And play better, of course!!!

HAHAHA

I bought a $700 Gibson that works well enough for me, since actually I am a keyboard player (or could be a drummer). The new Gibsons are around $849 for LP models and come in all price ranges lately. Of course with any guitar you usually get what you pay for. And I suppose there is more work done on a Gibson with chambered bodies or swiss cheese holes in those guitars. NO I am not trying to persuade anyone about nothing, but I find that to me all guitar manufacturers can charge about the same price. An Epiphone can be bought for less just like some Fenders, but still it is all Gibson or Fenders with those type of guitars, and now there are other guitars out there also. Ibanez did not suit me (I own a cheap one of those also) because the neck is too small for me. I can not use it, and wonder why I bought it now, I guess I did not try it out much before buying. So that always has to be done.

I don't know enough about the instruments themselves to really be able to add to the conversation. However, I seriously doubt that the guitar is what drives the musician as much as we think ... it's too easy to say that "it feels comfortable in my hands", however, that is also like saying that you have found something that you did not have before, or understood before, and that might not necessarily be the instrument, but the time and place!

 
Not sure that you have done this recently, but you can play a whole wall of the same model Gibson's or Fenders and they will all feel and play just a little differently than the others.  I know one of the mistakes that newbies make when they buy guitars and are first learning, they tend to buy the cheapest guitar that they can afford.  Student's tend to learn faster on a quality instrument than on something that does not play well or stay in tune.  Neither are an issue of course with a Gibson or a Fender, as long as it is a better model.
 
I know that I went back to playing Gibson's for the shorter neck scale.  It is easier on my hands.  It is easier to bend strings.  I used to get some tendonitis in my hands and I don't since switching to the shorter scale.
 
I bought my last Fender Strat based on how well the neck played and was fretted.  I had not planned on buying it, but it just felt and played soooo well.  Even violin's... my daughter bought a new violin recently and it was recommended by the store manager that she play them all and choose the one that sounded and played the best too her.  It may be easy to say this, but there is some truth to the playability.  A Fender Squire in the hands of a Pro will sound awesome, but it probably would not be his instrument of choice.  Most of the tone comes from your brain to your hands.  As Danny mentioned earlier, he will sound like himself on almost any guitar he plays.  I know that I already have a tone that I am striving for in my head and I will dial just about any tube amp to that tone. 
 
Also, you don't have to pay 3-4K for a descent Les Paul.  I play a LP Studio and it is a working man's guitar.... sounds great.  New they go for $1,300, bought mine used, in perfect condition for $800.

Well, if we're talking simple standard instruments, an american strat goes for what? around $1000?  A plain Gibson Les Paul starts at twice as much.

Not really...........


What about the Gibson LP Studios?


They are easily on par with a Fender Standard.............and they stay in tune


Plus............ there are a few "LP Studio" models to choose from.............

spacealf


You want others to read all of this. Some of it emotional, and some for discussion of opinion points. Where's the music?

Is this for me? If so, wasn't the purpose of the thread to share emotion as well as personal opinion and experience? I'm a guitar player...I'm just sharing it as I've lived it while involving my personal experience in as well. I also have a wide array of guitars in my collection, so I've played quite a few in my time.
 
Where's what music? Was that a challenge or something? You lost me there.
 
I was born in the late 60's. I can't help it that I don't dig some of the tones older classic rock guys loved anymore than I can help that I love tones that they hate. There is no right or wrong other than what works or what doesn't for a person really. It's all going to be subjective anyway.
 
Just because something has charted or made a person famous doesn't mean it's good to everyone. Fame to me dictates popularity and income MOST times (yes even in the 60's to present)...it has nothing to do with really being great or being pleasing to MY ears. I still can't stomach some of Steve Howe's tones on some of the old YES albums. They make my skin crawl. Yet, I appreciate and enjoy his style and playing. 
 
-Danny

I like Teles, own a start with two humbuckers. Used to like Les Pauls, but they were too heavy and too expensive compared to strats. So I stuck with my start. I'll probably buy a tele next too. I don't plan on buying a Gibson because of the price. Meh, I REALLY want a rainsong though. Totally off topic, but yeah. I want. All. Guitars. Yeah, that's about right.

Moshkiae


Funny bit here ... a psychic friend of mine used to say some funny things ... like .. the more you charge, the better they listen ... so yeah ... go spend your 2 and 3 grand ... so you WILL pay attention to your lessons and learning! And play better, of course!!!

HAHAHA

well, it is very much the true! when you buy expensive instrument you cannot blame it anymore LOL