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2015/05/03 02:11:05
lawajava
I'm wondering if I'm not seeing something obvious.
 
In EZKeys I can create my chord line and then use the Browser and as desired replace in a preset pattern on top of the chords.
 
What i'm trying to figure out is if there's a way to preserve the chords or restore the chords after having replaced them with something from the Browser.
 
i've tried dragging the chord sequence into both Sonar, and also into a folder within EZKeys.  In both cases the chord blocks become one long midi block and lose the individual chords.
 
Anyone using EZKeys and have a suggestion?
 
I can save the original chord blocks in a previous version (file) of Sonar and I can get back that way, but that's not probably the user friendly way EZKeys has available that I'm just not seeing at the moment.
2015/05/03 12:06:33
bapu
Are you using the theory blocks to create your chord line?
2015/05/03 13:08:52
lawajava
I click on the little plus sign and it adds a block in the song key. I build out a bunch of those with the chord changes I want. At that point they are all one hit chord strikes.

After I go to the Browser and say replace with one of the preset play patterns that's when I lose the blocks, or can't get back to them. For the moment I'm saving them in a separate file in case I need to go back to adjust my chord selections.

Tips?
2015/05/03 14:14:05
bapu
If I was going to do such a thing that's the best method I would come up with. I use EZKeys by selecting a pattern I like and then modify the chords to fit the song.
2015/05/03 14:47:35
Grem
If you drag to Sonar and it makes one long block, couldn't you then split that long midi clip into the chords you need? And then add them to EZK to use again as you want?
2015/05/06 01:46:47
lawajava
What I've come up with so far seems to be the easiest, although the reason for my post is hoping that someone has a more convenient method
 
1. In EZKeys I create the blocks and the chord changes as a sequence of single chord change hits/blocks.  I save that in an EZKeys dedicated version of my current Sonar file/song.  Meaning, I can have a variety of EZKeys instances and tracks in this song.  It's just the file I store the block patterns in for creating and for a backup.  I have a unique track/EZKeys instance each for the chorus, one for the verse, one for the bridge etc.
 
2. Each time I create one of these chord change block pattern sequences (meaning just the chord strikes), and I have the whole sequence of chord changes for that part (like the verse), I open up the EZKeys Browser, and in My Favorites I create a folder for the name of the song I'm working on.  In that folder I make sub folders for verse, chorus, bridge, etc.  I then drag the particular block line (like the verse chord strikes) into the verse folder for that song in the my favorites section in EZKeys.
 
3. After I've dragged those block sections into those folders I can save and quit out of the Sonar file that has all of these EZKeys blocks tracks.  What's interesting to note is that when you drag the chord blocks sequence into my favorites it turns the blocks into a one long pattern block (loses all the distinct chord changes).
 
4. I then open the actual Sonar file I'm working on that I'm going to apply EZKeys to.  When I open EZKeys in that file, I can go to the EZKeys Browser, the My Favorites section, find my particular song's folder in there, and then as an example, I can drag the verse block sequence right into a Sonar MIDI track.  This is before I throw a pattern from EZKeys onto the sequence within EZKeys itself.  Why?  Because, if I want to call up another synth to just follow the chord changes, or let's get advanced and say I'm going to use those chord changes in Catanya, I just want the chords. So I save out a clean "chord change" only MIDI sequence and save it in Sonar (for each part, like verse/chorus etc.)
 
5. Once the chord changes are saved out in their own track, then in EZKeys I can apply some pattern from the patterns and select the one I like to whichever section I have pulled down from my favorites in the EZKeys chord area.  After I like a certain match up, then I can drag that juiced up MIDI sequence onto another Sonar MIDI track for playing the more complicated keyboard playing (not just the single chord changes).  Very likely I'll end up using a different softsynth than EZKeys for actually playing back the MIDI.  For example, Addictive Keys for a clean piano sound.
 
6. I kind of repeat that process for the different parts.  Now, if it occurs to me that I want to change something in the chord blocks sequence, I can do that.  I could just overwrite whatever is in the EZKeys window.  But if it's a bunch of chords that need to change in the sequence and i want to continue to have/use single chord changes in another MIDI track, it's easier for me to go back to the original EZKeys blocks only Sonar file (where I started), make a quick change in there on whichever track was the source track, resave it to the favorites as a ver 2 of that part, save and quit out of that source Sonar file, and in the actual Sonar file I'm working on with the real Sonar structure of everything, I can utilize that updated source sequence now from my EZKeys favorites folder for that song.
 
That sounds like a lot of steps, but it's time saving for me so far.  I wish EZKeys would have a way to return a pattern to its original single chord changes after applying the updates from one of their patterns.  But I don't see that as an option presently.
2015/05/06 02:02:21
mettelus
Have you tried simply using the media browser in SONAR? Now that resizing MIDI data is easier, saving 1-bar chords to the media browser may be viable to create chord tracks.
2015/05/06 02:25:20
lawajava
Well the chords can be twisted.  So if you have a C major chord, down one octave, inversion 2, with a G in the bass note or something, that's all easy to see and do in a EZKeys block specific to a particular song (and it could be a half measure chord etc.)  I think the number of chords as a list in the media browser would become a nuisance.  And then there's the part of string them all together in a specific sequence.  So, if there's a place where they are saved it's of course easy to recall it back.
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