2013/11/27 21:06:17
Rain
I mentioned that album a few times before but it was actually pretty much around this time of the year 30 years ago that bought my first album, a record which completely change my life. It's also the album I've bought the most copies of, in every format - vinyl, tape, cd, mp3 - including many copies in the same format for a few of these, as well as the various remastered versions...
 
Well, make that + 1.
 

 
 
I grabbed this one at Wal Mart this pm. I did not own a proper copy of this most recent remaster, only the iTunes version, because it came out while we were on the road. An the iTunes version didn't have the bonus live CD. I just cannot wait to hear this one!
 
This reminds me of the day Tribute came out in 1987 - probably one of the best days in the entire decade if you'd asked the die hard Randy Rhoads fan I was.  
 
 
2013/11/27 21:45:29
Leadfoot
The fan I WAS??? Blasphemy!!! I remember that day too. I was a little disappointed though. I already had that concert on tape from years before when I taped the King Biscuit Flower Hour on the radio. They would broadcast a concert every Saturday night. Good old days... :)
2013/11/27 23:19:48
Rain
You're right obviously - Rhoads still is my favorite guitar player on a guts level (Jimmy Page being my favorite musician, and Jimi, being, uh, Jimi).
 
He's like a technically brilliant Mick Ronson (and they looked strikingly similar, too). That wailing guitar in the first solo in Over the Mountain - that's what made me pick up the electric guitar and to this day I feel exactly the same when I hear it.
 
I like EVH and Malmsteen and Vai and all those amazing guitar players, but I feel that Rhoads has that very emotional thing that's closer to guys like Gilmour or Ronson who can tear you apart w/ a single note. Anyway, that's how it works for me.
 
And having never heard that concert, I'm quite sure I'll enjoy it. I'm just keeping it for when I can really listen to it, loud enough and not while doing something else. 
 
 
2013/11/28 00:55:35
Leadfoot
Well, if you've heard Tribute, you've heard that concert. Of course there was quite a bit of editing done on Tribute, but it's the same show that I taped on the radio years before Tribute came out.

I'm with you on Page. The guy's a genius. I especially love his acoustic fingerstyle work. And Hendrix, he was a different kind of genius.

Like you, Rhoads was the one that inspired me to start playing. Got my first electric for Christmas in 1982. :)
2013/11/28 01:07:00
Rain
Oh, I misunderstood that you meant same as Tribute. Darn! :( 
Oh well, on a positive note, the Legacy edition packaging is awesome, and cd resolution was a must.
 
Since my wife insisted, I also grabbed Blizzard of Ozz (same as Diary, I only had the iTunes version of the recent remaster with the additional material) and Band of Gypsys by Hendrix, another one of my all-time classics.
 
 
Next time Ozzy gets another platinum record for either Diary or Blizzard, I'll be expecting a personal thank you note. :P
 
2013/11/28 01:56:53
Leadfoot
I'm a big Band Of Gypsys fan as well. Machine Gun is just on another level. Jimi was beyond brilliant on that album, but it definitely would not have been as soulful without Billy and Buddy. I had the Isle of Wight concert on video which had Billy and Mitch playing with Jimi. And the beginning of Machine Gun just didn't sound right because Mitch didn't play it straight forward like Buddy did. He tried to do his trademark rolls, and it just didn't sound like a machine gun anymore.

Did I get off topic??? :)

Back to Blizzard and Diary...

Now I've read in the past that on the remasters, Ozzy had different players re-record Bob Daisley's and Lee Kerslake's parts so he didn't have to pay them. Can you tell whether the drums and bass have been redone? If so, that's the ultimate act of greed by Ozzy (or more likely Sharon), and is just plain desp*cable.
2013/11/28 02:35:17
Rain
Leadfoot
I'm a big Band Of Gypsys fan as well. Machine Gun is just on another level. Jimi was beyond brilliant on that album, but it definitely would not have been as soulful without Billy and Buddy. I had the Isle of Wight concert on video which had Billy and Mitch playing with Jimi. And the beginning of Machine Gun just didn't sound right because Mitch didn't play it straight forward like Buddy did. He tried to do his trademark rolls, and it just didn't sound like a machine gun anymore.

Did I get off topic??? :)

Back to Blizzard and Diary...

Now I've read in the past that on the remasters, Ozzy had different players re-record Bob Daisley's and Lee Kerslake's parts so he didn't have to pay them. Can you tell whether the drums and bass have been redone? If so, that's the ultimate act of greed by Ozzy (or more likely Sharon), and is just plain desp*cable.



Not sure what on and off-topic but you pretty much summed my thoughts about Machine Gun right there. In fact, I always thought Isle of Wight was a pretty tragic show. It's almost like seeing Superman without his superpowers or something - it seems to me that Jimi is struggling and doesn't seem all that happy. Some stuff is great, but not all that magic - compare that to other nights where it felt like he had some sort of telepathic control over feedback and whatnot and everything worked.
 
The way he dropped the guitar and walked away at the end pretty much sums it up. 
 
But back on topic, as you say... 
 
I did not buy those re-recorded versions, but I've heard them. There are also a few songs included on the Ozzman Cometh. I don't know how they'd sound to someone who's never heard the original records, but to me, they sound like the drummer and, less obviously, the bass player, are playing on top of an existing record - which is the case I guess. They don't gel into it. 
 
The Randy Rhoads fan in me will dare say that it does have the advantage of further separating the guitar tracks from the mix, shedding some new light on them. So it can be interesting. But that's it.
 
By the way, I like Bordin and Trujillo - I was a fan of both Faith No More and Suicidal Tendencies back in the days - so it's nothing against them or the way they play.
 
Ozzy claims that he'd had enough of being harassed by Daisley and friends. Daisley's take on it is obviously different, and probably more credible - though I cannot figure out why he kept coming back in the fold and writing for Ozzy album after album until the 90s if he felt he'd been let go for some unfair reasons and wasn't being treated well.
 
Though I guess maybe after all I understand why he came back - because, that's a job, and not many musicians can afford to refuse a big check.
 
But, IMHO, if you accept to sell your songs and the rights to them for a certain amount, you can't complain that you weren't treated fairly and start slinging mud because the album made millions of $.
 
Of course, one could argue that the right thing to do for Ozzy would have been to further compensate and give a bonus, but, that's entirely subjective.
 
At any rate, re-recording the albums wasn't a good idea. But the Osbournes learned their lesson on this one I guess. They can't get away with just about anything.
 
2013/11/28 09:44:47
Leadfoot
I agree on the Isle of Wight show. There's one place where he said to the crowd "if you don't, f-ck ya". It saddened me to hear him treat the crowd like that. Not like all the other footage I've seen and heard at all. And like you said, it pretty much said it all when he dropped the guitar and walked off stage.

Speaking of "said it all", have you found any other copies of the Crowley EP on CD? Just wondering...

You're right about Daisley. I don't understand why he kept going back either.
2013/11/28 17:20:18
Rain
Haven't found it yet - though I haven't been actively looking. At least, I had my fix listening to the songs on YouTube (which, as bad as it sounds probably doesn't sound much worst than the old tape player and crappy speakers I used to listen to it on back in the days.)
2013/11/28 17:34:57
Rain
BTW, you probably knew, Daisley recently published a book called For Facts Sake. But the book + shipping cost would amount to over $50. I love rock and roll, but I don't enjoy reading about it quite as much as I enjoy listening to it - not enough to spend that much on a book, anyway...
 
At the end of the day, whether Sharon is the Wicked Witch or not or whether Daisley is the greatest man alive, the only thing I really care about is that those albums are a huge part of my life - and Randy's guitar playing is largely responsible for that, regardless of who played in the band.
 
 
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