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  • Renaissance Bass - Free (p.4)
2013/11/29 15:40:48
TheSteven
sharke
I use Maxxbass all the time and find that when you use it correctly, it adds clarity to the bass and makes it sit in the mix better. It doesn't work in every situation, but there have been times when I've been tearing my hair out trying to get the bass to sound more intelligible and Maxxbass has worked wonders. Of course like most plugs, it's quite possible to dial in settings that make it sound worse, and I have no doubt that RBass is the same.



BTW If I came off in my previous post like I was dissing RBass or similar, that was not my intent. It's tool that now that I have it, I may find very useful at some point.
 
 
2013/11/29 16:13:49
Leadfoot
I get the sound I'm looking for without bass enhancers. It was nice of Waves to give it away, though.
2013/11/30 06:46:46
godino
I bought some of the renaissance stuff a while ago from waves, but it didn't include the bass so I'm very pleased - Thanks Waves
 
2013/11/30 12:16:05
bitflipper
sharke
...like most plugs, it's quite possible to dial in settings that make it sound worse, and I have no doubt that RBass is the same.

When trying out any new plugin, I always start with two assumptions: a) if it sounds bad, I'm probably not doing it right, and b) it's probably more capable than first impressions might indicate.
 
But RBass only has two controls, not counting the output volume fader. The number of ways one might screw it up are few. I honestly think I pretty much exhausted all the possible combinations in the first ten minutes.
 
I dropped RBass into at least a dozen projects. These were all finished songs where the bass had already been tweaked and massaged, so I started each test by bypassing all effects. I first listened to the bass track both in solo and in context with no processing, to get the original sound in my head. I then compared with RBass applied, and then with the original effects restored. In each case, I monitored with SPAN at the bottom of the fx bin in order to see what was happening with the spectrum as well as to aid in volume matching. I listened with main monitors and then with two different headphones.
 
I repeated this test with many projects, although I admit they were all my own projects and therefore had some general commonality. I did not try it on, for example, any metal tunes or hip-hop. But within the constrained test set, there was not a single instance where RBass made the bass track sound better. In every case it took on a muffled, plastic tone, lost transients and lost its place in the mix. In every case the volume rose, requiring about a 6dB reduction to match volume with the original.
 
On a couple projects, I also compared RBass to my most-used bass-warping tools: FabFilter Saturn, Voxengo LF Max Punch, Voxengo Boogex, and plain ol' compression and EQ.
 
Granted, this is not an apples-to-apples comparison. Saturn gives you a ton of possibilities, including multi-band envelope shaping and dynamics expansion. Boogex is a distortion plugin with EQ and dynamics control. LF Max Punch probably comes closest to RBass, but has far more options. The justification for comparing these to RBass is that I use them all for bass treatment. In every case, RBass came in a distant fifth runner-up.
 
I'll keep it around on the chance that someday the right track will come along that suits RBass. But as far as I can tell at this time, RBass is quite useless to me. If you disagree, I'd love to hear a before-and-after comparison clip that illustrates a marked improvement with RBass.
2013/11/30 13:10:55
ohgrant
 No disagreement here, tried it on a few things here too. Maybe one day I'll have a use for it but right now I have no need for a mud making plug.
 
 I don't recall Waves ever giving a free demo for a plug, I remember them giving away a basic version of their amp, GTR for free for one year, but not a plug.
I have a feeling this freebie was given for the same reason IK gave away the EQ then the opto compressor. So people that were turned off by the past authorization process,  experience their new authorization process.  I imagine they picked their worst selling plug.
 
2013/11/30 13:23:33
strikinglyhandsome1
They gave away the Oneknob Louder plug last November.
2013/11/30 13:32:29
vintagevibe
bitflipper
Been putting this plugin through its paces this morning, and all I can say is WOW...ever pull up next to some teenager's tricked-out Honda Civic at a light and marvel at the amorphous woofy sounds coming out of his trunk? Well, now you can have that same muddy, indistinct bass in your own tunes! Tired of hearing bass with identifiable notes? RBass is the answer you've been looking for!


If you know how to use it it's wonderful.  If was getting the results that you are getting I would never use it.  I use it all the time.
2013/11/30 14:00:38
bitflipper
vintagevibe
If you know how to use it it's wonderful.  If was getting the results that you are getting I would never use it.  I use it all the time.



I've heard this exact sentiment expressed many times. At one time I even considered paying full retail for RBass on the strength of such enthusiastic testimonials, and I was quite pleased when this freebie offer came along. 
 
But if there's a trick to "knowing how to use it", then please educate me!
2013/11/30 14:12:21
michaelhanson
I tried the plug in as well and noticed that if you started pushing it at all things got increasingly muddier. Just before I was about to give up on it, I noticed that you could change frequencies. It looks like it opens on 80. I changed it to 100 and then to 120 and put just a touch on the track I was demoing. It seemed to add a little something, but not enough to overly impress me. I felt my ears were getting tired so i saved the session and thought I would revisit the track later.
2013/11/30 15:35:29
clintmartin
I have two waves plugins...One Knob louder and now this one. I reinstalled waves to try this, but I'm about to delete it again. That waves cloud (I guess) makes Sonar's scan take forever and I just feel like Waves are over priced. I can't see me ever buying anything from them with the cost and the wup nonsense.
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