spacey
what you may think about what I'm thinking about...
 
I was wondering when others study music what they
think about rote learning vs critical thinking and then wondered
not only which direction they may tip but also if they knew of another...
which I believe to be an excellent method for enjoying while learning to create music.
 
( I can't wait for the jokes that will follow this :) ....so hurry lol.

For me, this would not be a joke, although it can turn into one. You already know that I talk about this all the time, and some folks here don't like it.
 
For rock'n'roll purposes (or jazz for that matter), I would replace the "critical thinking" with "whiney", or "favorite", or "lick" (as in music you bad boys!), "standard 4/4", or something else that brings music down to its kindergarten level.
 
Rote Learning. I'll have to study that some! Wondering why the word "rote" was used, instead of "roto" as in rooter!

craigb
You can only go so far on one leg before things are unbalanced and you need to catch up in other areas.
 
The whole process is a very iterative thing.

Partially incorrect I have to say from my experience. We had a blind friend in Santa Barbara that used to also listen to the big show on Sunday nights, and if there was something he liked, he would grab his cane on Monday morning, and hitchhike all the way to Van Nuys, and go to Moby Disk (when it was on Victory Blvd), and grab the album, and other things.
 
People adjust.
 
And he used to laugh that we always increased his electrical bill when we came over!

Moshkiae

spacey
what you may think about what I'm thinking about...
 
I was wondering when others study music what they
think about rote learning vs critical thinking and then wondered
not only which direction they may tip but also if they knew of another...
which I believe to be an excellent method for enjoying while learning to create music.
 
( I can't wait for the jokes that will follow this :) ....so hurry lol.

For me, this would not be a joke, although it can turn into one. You already know that I talk about this all the time, and some folks here don't like it.
 
For rock'n'roll purposes (or jazz for that matter), I would replace the "critical thinking" with "whiney", or "favorite", or "lick" (as in music you bad boys!), "standard 4/4", or something else that brings music down to its kindergarten level.
 
Rote Learning. I'll have to study that some! Wondering why the word "rote" was used, instead of "roto" as in rooter!

spacey
Can an example for each of the two be given?
 
1. Rote
2. Critical
 
And I may mention what I believe to be a third latter...if this makes it that far.
 

When my brothers started teaching me how to play guitar, they just showed me what notes to play (bass lines).
Later, my brother Mike, who had some actual music education, began explaining to me how chords were constructed, teaching me some scales, what makes a 7th a 7th, a minor a minor, etc.
I have a friend who has played guitar for many years, but plays by ear and what others have shown him. He knows the names of just a few chords and doesn't really know the difference between majors and minors, except how they sound.
He's been wanting to learn more about music and the lessons I learned years ago have enabled me to explain a few things to him, using my room mate's piano.
He plays well but doesn't know what he's playing.
It still sounds good.

57Gregy

spacey
Can an example for each of the two be given?
 
1. Rote
2. Critical
 
And I may mention what I believe to be a third latter...if this makes it that far.
 

When my brothers started teaching me how to play guitar, they just showed me what notes to play (bass lines).
Later, my brother Mike, who had some actual music education, began explaining to me how chords were constructed, teaching me some scales, what makes a 7th a 7th, a minor a minor, etc.
I have a friend who has played guitar for many years, but plays by ear and what others have shown him. He knows the names of just a few chords and doesn't really know the difference between majors and minors, except how they sound.
He's been wanting to learn more about music and the lessons I learned years ago have enabled me to explain a few things to him, using my room mate's piano.
He plays well but doesn't know what he's playing.
It still sounds good.

 
I don't think anybody will agree that one has to learn a specific method to learn how to play a guitar and "still sound good".
 
I started this thread because there are ways for people to learn how to play a guitar. I started wondering how many ways there are. What are the main methods?
I do know that one can learn to play a guitar or teach another without using all the methods.
 
I guess knowing what methods there are is not common knowledge..at least it seems that way to me. It seems that a few may be common knowledge.
I was wondering if it was and thought if so I'd get an informative reply. Apparently it's not.
 
I don't know if my last posted list of 5 is complete but I'm having trouble determining another method to add to it.
 
 
 
 
 
 

How about trial and error? By which I mean sort of aimlessly plucking strings and whatnot until one finds something that doesn't suck.
 
I'm not sure that this is the same as "by ear", but I don't think so.

drewfx1
How about trial and error? By which I mean sort of aimlessly plucking strings and whatnot until one finds something that doesn't suck.
 
I'm not sure that this is the same as "by ear", but I don't think so.

I don't think it would be the same as "by ear" either.
 
I'm thinking that the only way it could be a method is if one had never heard music and was isolated...
no exposure to music or other instruments - if not I think another method would be used.
 

spacey

drewfx1
How about trial and error? By which I mean sort of aimlessly plucking strings and whatnot until one finds something that doesn't suck.
 
I'm not sure that this is the same as "by ear", but I don't think so.

I don't think it would be the same as "by ear" either.
 
I'm thinking that the only way it could be a method is if one had never heard music and was isolated...
no exposure to music or other instruments - if not I think another method would be used.
 

Actually I think I've learned a lot this way. 

drewfx1

spacey

drewfx1
How about trial and error? By which I mean sort of aimlessly plucking strings and whatnot until one finds something that doesn't suck.
 
I'm not sure that this is the same as "by ear", but I don't think so.

I don't think it would be the same as "by ear" either.
 
I'm thinking that the only way it could be a method is if one had never heard music and was isolated...
no exposure to music or other instruments - if not I think another method would be used.
 

Actually I think I've learned a lot this way. 

Not buying that.

Well until something can be added this is my list of methods.
So I'll add examples, or what I think examples are for each. (from a guitarist point of view)
 
1.Rote - playing a single note or chord pattern over and over and over..nothing more than patterns and shapes to the player.
            
2.Critical- using theory to understand how the single note pattern (scale) or chords were constructed.

3.Symbolism- reading or writing the notation or tab to the scale or chord.

4. By Ear- learn the lead or chords from hearing a performance/recording.

5. Mocking- Very unique. One needs another to play something so it the other can try to duplicate it     by hearing only. A one on one - teacher student method. ( that is what I believe seperates it from "by ear".
 
Unless another method can be presented...done deal as far as I'm concerned. Definitions could easily be expanded but they get the point across.