2015/04/20 21:57:30
swamptooth
I've been playing with the idea of creating a piece using a single sample as the only source material.  Basically it would be - 
record a mono sample, can be used in any synth, can be time-stretched or compressed for resampling, can have sections snipped to use as say waveforms in z3ta+ or oscillators in rapture... I think you get the idea. 
Anyone out there ever do something like this and do you have any posts of completed pieces?
Any ideas or suggestions?
2015/04/21 14:32:01
czyky
I think I get what you mean, although technically a single sample is a number, say, something between zero and whatever bit-depth you are using. So I take it you mean a sound file and maybe a single sound within that sound file? Like a blip or flute playing a note or an explosion. Or it could be an entire sound track to an old tv episode of My Mother the Car? Chopping up a sound file that is a sequence of sounds--such as a tv episode or a Schubert symphony recording or a song by Iris DeMent--has been so BTDT [been there done that], either literally in the analog world with a non-magnetic razor blade or digitally with a software blade, so I am further guessing you mean the single sound variety. Although, still, an explosion or an organ chord (including the reverberation tail) is so much more to work with than a blip from an Asteroids game.
 
Okay, given a relatively simple sound file, like a flute note, there's always the "cheat" method. Put the sound into, say, Dim Pro and concoct a flute melody. Or a quartet of digital flutes playing a movement from Scarlatti. Or 2,048 flutes, each one tuned 0.001 hertz higher/lower than the next, playing an all-flute arrangement of Ode to Joy.
 
To get to the "purist" version of your exercise? I tried it once, got to six tracks (in ten minutes or so) using one of the Oscar sample files under BigTone in, um, Rapture's multisamples (I think), found it extremely tedious going and that was that.
 
If I was to try my hand at it again, I would start with a software device that focused more on granular synthesis (like Alchemy, RIP, for example) and less on the filters (like Rapture). Probably better results by moving generated sounds back-and-forth between multiple synths, to take advantage of each synth's strengths? Lots of filter ideas spring to mind (I tried my experiment a couple of years ago, I'd have a much broader set of ideas to try now). Oh heck, there are so many ways to go, now that I try to list.
 
Actually, an approach I might try would be to take one of those apps that takes a sound file and continually morphs and mangles it over and over (for instant background noise--er, I mean, "sound installations"), record a couple minutes of that--THEN chop up the results in a DAW and try piecing things together. Programs I've seen are "replay player" or "crusher-x", don't know if they still exist. I haven't seen ARAFM (automated random audio file manipulation) as the next big thing in Wired or anything. None of the handful of programs I've seen have been very creative, they kind of pick an algorithm (hah, don't we all) and go with it ad infinitum. A really creative program would use: granular, filtering, tempo, pitch, direction, rearranged sequencing, combining, subtracting, temporal adjustments--in short, ALL the many ways we dumb, but clever, human computers would come up with to change the audio output of that one dorky ol' sound.
 
If you decide to go on with your exercise, I don't think you'll run into a bunch of sound-alike competitors. (Although I guess there's probably a forum out there somewhere....) Like I said, it's tedious work if you do it by hand, and it's boring if you assign a machine to do it.
2015/04/21 18:16:40
sharke
Well, technically you could do the whole thing with Skanner XT....
2015/04/21 19:20:25
AT
I got one of the Anomaly Alchemy soundset which use the same samples in different synths for similar presets in Kontact, Alchemy and Rapt (or DimPro?).  I did about 3 tracks of the same noiseful sounds using the collection.  No tuned sounds, it is rhythmic noises.  Similar sounds but not the same. The piece will be called 1st Date and it is for a narration about a, well, first date while tripping.  So the music is intentionally inharmonic and spacey.
 
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2015/04/22 10:56:41
jonboper
I've done this and have a track coming out on an upcoming album (this year at some point) that was composed using this kind of technique.  As a delivery system I use Isis.
 
Although not pure examples of the technique, here are two tracks in which the samples dictate flow of the recording.
 
This track uses a melodic sample as an emotional trigger throughout the song - it's a kind of lilting vocalish sample that varies throughout, so depending on the trigger key and the length of the hold it wavers and sweeps.  At the very end of the song I kind of lean on it to create a sample choir of dips and wails (which fittingly closes out it's album): https://smaltmine.bandcam.com/track/missionaria-we
 
This track uses a sample as the rhythmic basis for the track, utilizing the pitch and length differentiations of trigger keys to create that rocking back-and-forth feeling during the beginning and create a polyrhythmic tempo shift into the next section of analog bass: https://smaltmine.bandcamp.com/track/amun-ra-pt-2
2015/04/25 13:04:16
dubdisciple
I have heard songs using nothing but the 808 kick tuned, filtered and mangled to death to provide rhythm and melody. 
2015/04/25 17:23:20
swamptooth
yes, all good suggestions and ideas. I'm still mulling this about though time has been scarce lately. i think part of the idea came about from using skanner xt and my favorite granular tool padshop.
jon your examples were great. very intriguing music and i love the apocalyptic feel of the artwork.
i think I'll just starr off of just recording a few things like breaking glass or scrapes or thumps and just mangling them to hell and back to see what works best.
i was thinking back to college in the electronic music studio and one of my favorite snippets was building a contact mic and mounting it to our huge cd player to record the tray opening and closing. looping and slowing and speeding the tape created a pretty fair trombone sound i used a few times. i do miss reel to reel and razor blades!
2015/04/26 13:59:55
jonboper
That sounds awesome - I love homemade contact mics, never thought of using them like that though, giving me ideas...
 
Time is an issue, always, but sounds like you have a plan for it and that always makes me want to get to it more quickly and makes things happen more quickly when I get there.
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