I like Obi being here and I respect him...

What I don't like are the policies of the company from which he draws his paycheck...

Let's say, back in 2009 I bought each of the individual SampleTank instruments at full price (many did)...
 
That would be over $1000 worth of Plugins that have not been updated in 4 years....
During the course of that time, Amplitube has been updated several times...and ported to 64 bit.
T-Racks has been updated several times, and been ported to 64 bit.  

Many new things have been added to both packages, while the ST line has been COMPLETELY NEGLECTED.
They've had time to do all these updates on these other programs.  Why?  Because they sold MORE OF THEM,
so the revenue, IK believes, would be greater.  Now down to brass tacks...

IF the ST line had been updated to 64 bit several years ago, they would have sold A TON OF THEM.  No if's, and's or but's.
Instead, IK chose to let them sit and rot, while the competition went full force ahead with 64 bit, several version changes, 
new gear, better samples...etc...etc...and sold a TON....including to many here and elsewhere who simply LEFT IK's sampler
for better ground.

Obi, take off your IK hat for a minute and think about it LOGICALLY...from a customers perspective...

Would you be happy if you had invested $1000 in products that weren't being supported by the company
that says they are "ON TOP" of all the trends?  I certainly am not.  Not the least bit.

You want to "fluff and buff" your way around it...but, truth be told, it's a PATHETIC statement for your company...
They simply "blew off" thousands of customers who purchased these products.  WHY?  Because some 
corporate guru mucky muck decided there was more money in iCrap, and to redirect his programming staff in THAT
direction.  Now, he'll get his Golden Parachute...and his employees will get the fall out....catch my drift?

Don't neglect existing customers in favor of NEW business.  Go get the new business...that's a great idea...
but NOT at the expense and support of existing customers...THAT is not good Corporate policy.

Most of your ST line customers have already given up...they've gone to some other sampler...after 4 years of no updates,
even after it was promised, wouldn't you have gone elsewhere?  That's just common sense.  People will buy what's being
supported.  People WON'T buy what's not being supported.  And THAT is why IK has been trying to pawn the ST Line off in
sales for the past 2 years...because they can't sell the stupid things and think it's because people don't want them.  That's not
the case at all.  People aren't buying them because THEY AREN'T BEING SUPPORTED!!!!  DUH!!!  If your running a 64 bit system,
with a 64 bit DAW and 64 bit VST's and 64 bit VSTi's...and have been for YEARS, are YOU going to buy a FOUR YEAR OLD NON-SUPPORTED
NON-UPDATED 32 BIT SAMPLER?  Nope...your going to go where you can get updates and 64 bit....and MOST of the FREE Samplers are
even 64 bit....while IK still sits on the pity pot and says....well we gave you the OTHER things that you didn't really ask for
but we think we'll sell more of ...so here you go...and be happy about it.

So think about that with a LOGICAL CUSTOMER point of view...not a CORPORATE one....and you'll realize why it's a problem...
Customers don't like throwing their hard earned cash AWAY, not being supported, and THEN being told...oh too bad,
we'll get to you when we're good and ready, sorry we've hurt your feelings..here's an iApp...and an iHardware, and MORE
T-Racks and MORE Amplitube, while we continue to hold out on a product that should have been released 3 years ago...

Emm....I'm thinking that that's not a good business ethic...and, as I stated before, if it's NOT the BE ALL AND END ALL OF SAMPLERS...
you might as well just cancel the SampleTank Line...and that will piss off a lot of customers who invested their money as well..

Here's hoping iK gets their iAct together...

cclarry
 
 
 

The irony of complaining about abandonware and not being able to transfer software on the Cakewalk forum. Cakewalk has the same policy but nobody complains about it. How many people bought Sonar 8 that still have issues that they had to upgrade to X1 with in order to get a fix? Then had to upgrade to X2 to get those things fixed. I wish I could unload my copy of X1 to a new owner but nope Cakewalk says no go. How about them not updating Dimension Pro in even more time than Sampletank's last update? Cakewalk has not said a word about updating Dimension Pro but IK has said for 2 or 3 years that ST 3 is coming in the future and people want to rant rave and cry about it not being here yesterday. So much irony here. 


 
The biggest point of IRONY here is that you obviously haven't been reading ALL the posts involved in this LONG and ONGOING discussion, which goes
way BEYOND this particular thread, nor do you seem to understand the discussion, and yet, want to give us "your ironic" opinion.

It has nothing to do with WHAT I THINK the time frame should be...it has to do with PROMISES made YEARS AGO....

The SampleTank line has been around for roughly 5 years.  The last update to ST was in 2010.  It's NOW over half way through 2013, and
64 bit OS has been around for quite a while longer.  MOST decent software companies keep their products CURRENT.  However, IK hasn't.  They've
gone on an iCrap frenzy, using their resources to "gain NEW dollars" while neglecting their existing customers that have paid GOOD MONEY
for products that now, for the most part are "outdated" and somewhat unusable.  While they CAN be used, they don't take advantage of
 a technology (64 bit) that allows for better handling of memory and resources, even though that update has been promised for OVER
3 YEARS!  We've gone through basicly 3 VERSIONS of Windows (all of which were 64 bit) and STILL the update to 64 bit is a NO SHOW.

This is a DELIBERATE neglect on thier part, and HAS BEEN.  They are, and have been, seeking NEW revenue, and EVERY company should do so, but NOT 
at the expense of existing customers and the products they've invested their money in, and have been promised support for.  They've been promising SampleTank 3 for THREE YEARS....and nothing...yet they've pushed out, just in the past year, about a billion iCraps....and iCrap Hardware, then 
updated T-Racks and Amplitube, and added new apps for those,  the ONLY products they had that were already 64 bit, rather then delivering on the promises made.

I highly suggest you be a little "more" in the "know" about what you are speaking of, as this conversation has been ongoing for a 
GREAT length of time, and not confined to the limited space of this single thread.
 
It has nothing to do with Cakewalk, and I agree that Cake has been majorly lax in a LOT of areas, while wasting resources on things that
they should not be...that's another discussion, and YES, it does compare to this...but this conversation isn't IRONIC in the least...
Cake has NEVER promised an update to Dimension Pro, and DP has been 64 bit for quite some time, so, while they haven't updated
it in FOREVER, they've NEVER said they were going to...nor have they been promising one for YEARS!!!


THAT is the issue here sir....


Yawn. I am aware of what your issue is there. You want it to be 64 bit as if the 32 bit doesn't work in Sonar 64 bit. Sonar does come with a bit bridge so it still works. They have been saying for a while ST3 is coming for sure and it will come when it comes. Not being here yesterday doesn't mean that its not coming. You aren't saying anything about IK that people haven't been saying all over the net but I am not following why complain about it not being updated in years or being "up to date" when Cakewalk's own stuff is archaic itself. I use Dimension Pro as an example because that browser is hideous and very 2004. Sampletank hasn't been updated in 3 years it really doesn't need to be 64 bit in its current form. Its not going to take advantage of it and if they are already working on a new version of the software then why not just wait for it. Its still irony to complain about abandonware on the Cakewalk forum when Cakewalk has a long record of abandoning software. IK "abandoned" their instrument line which is still odd because they have been saying for months now that it will be out before the end of 2013. People rage about the ios stuff but have you ever considered that maybe they are completely overhauling Sampletank and that's why its taking so long? Keep in mind ST 2 is 10 years old. Those libraries could use an update they sound 10 years old. I am ready for ST 3 as much as anyone else but jumping down their throats for doing anything besides ST3 every time you hear about IK isn't going to make it come any faster. I don't think the issue is IK I think its people demanding that they work on your schedule rather than their own. I am gonna keep using Kontakt until ST 3 is ready to go I suggest you do the same. 

Random fact people complain about 64 bit compatibility but at least half of the major DAWs out there have only recently gone 64 bit. Of course Sonar did first they usually are early adopters to new technology but when we look at what DAWs have gone 64 bit since 2011 we have Studio One, Reason, FL Studio, Pro Tools, and Ableton. The need hasn't been there until more recently but of course people want what they want yesterday. Its no different than the Pro Tools guys being mad at NI because their stuff isn't AAX 64 bit yet. It will happen it just hasn't happened yet. 
 

Kevwest,
 
You're right...it's not going to come any faster....because of people like yourself who sit back and
let the COMPANY dictate to you who, what, and when, when in fact, the COMPANY should be responding TO YOU THE CUSTOMER,
who is the ENTIRE REASON that the Company exists!  We have this exact same issue in Government.
 
Cakewalks products may be archaic to you...but they work perfectly fine, and get the job done...and ARE 64 bit...
and Cakewalk has made no promises to update Dimension Pro...so take YOUR OWN ADVICE and STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT IT!!!
And why hijack MY THREAD to post your complaints about Dimension Pro?  I'm just curious.  

My points are indeed valid and legitimate...your point is legitimate as well, but should be posted in a different thread,
not this one that relates to IK Products..

You are certainly entitled to your "opinion", but MOST here completely disagree with your perspective...

My favorite quote from your post:

"You aren't saying anything about IK that people haven't been saying all over the net"  I hope Obi reads that...I'm well aware of it...

YET you have some desire to berate me for a legitimate complaint about IK, and then you hijack my IK thread for YOUR OWN
PERSONAL COMPLAINT AGAINST CAKEWALK....that seems petty and unprofessional...

If IK is overhauling ST, it should have been done 3 YEARS AGO, when it was promised...not now, after releasing a BILLION iCraps,
and iHardware, and iKeys, and iThis, and iThat, and updates to programs that have JUST BEEN UPDATED....

I don't demand they work on my time frame, I merely state that they shouldn't promise things and not deliver,
they shouldn't neglect customers who've spent hundreds, if not thousands of dollars on programs that haven't been
supported in 4 years, while they keep flooding us with other things and NOT the thing that was promised years ago...
that, to me, is a breach of ethics for the sake of a dollar...not good business policy IMHO.

Also, not sure if you're aware or not but "BitBridge" is at times "buggy" and it limits the amount of memory a VST can utilize.
With Samplers, that's an issue....especially in a Large Scale Project...


And THESE THINGS are the issues being addressed....

I do appreciate your perspective!

This thread has gotten so out of hand.  just beating on Obi.
 
I personally could care less about sampletank 3 or when it comes out.  shheeeh.
 
sampletank 3 was promised 3 years ago.  news flash there was a HUGE recession and to keep business floating as things change rapidly new business needed to be worked on to pay the bills.  worked the IK iapps have been a huge success, even if you don't like them or I don't use them they are a HUGE part of IK and their business.
 
Now they have some resources to put into Sampletank 3 and get back to what they had originally planned, we'll see if it's any good once it's released.
 
I almost kinda wished that IK had come out and said nope, we are abandoning that old stuff it is what it is.  then ya'll could rest peacefully.  though ya would probably still **** and moan that ya didn't get what ya paid for or were promised.
 
can't ya just wait and see or let it go?  really?
 
doesn't matter.  this thread has made me want to go linger somewhere else for a while.  way too much heat here.

cclarry
Kevwest,
 
You're right...it's not going to come any faster....because of people like yourself who sit back and
let the COMPANY dictate to you who, what, and when, when in fact, the COMPANY should be responding TO YOU THE CUSTOMER,
who is the ENTIRE REASON that the Company exists!  We have this exact same issue in Government.
 
Cakewalks products may be archaic to you...but they work perfectly fine, and get the job done...and ARE 64 bit...
and Cakewalk has made no promises to update Dimension Pro...so take YOUR OWN ADVICE and STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT IT!!!
And why hijack MY THREAD to post your complaints about Dimension Pro?  I'm just curious.  

My points are indeed valid and legitimate...your point is legitimate as well, but should be posted in a different thread,
not this one that relates to IK Products..

You are certainly entitled to your "opinion", but MOST here completely disagree with your perspective...

My favorite quote from your post:

"You aren't saying anything about IK that people haven't been saying all over the net"  I hope Obi reads that...I'm well aware of it...

YET you have some desire to berate me for a legitimate complaint about IK, and then you hijack my IK thread for YOUR OWN
PERSONAL COMPLAINT AGAINST CAKEWALK....that seems petty and unprofessional...

If IK is overhauling ST, it should have been done 3 YEARS AGO, when it was promised...not now, after releasing a BILLION iCraps,
and iHardware, and iKeys, and iThis, and iThat, and updates to programs that have JUST BEEN UPDATED....

I don't demand they work on my time frame, I merely state that they shouldn't promise things and not deliver,
they shouldn't neglect customers who've spent hundreds, if not thousands of dollars on programs that haven't been
supported in 4 years, while they keep flooding us with other things and NOT the thing that was promised years ago...
that, to me, is a breach of ethics for the sake of a dollar...not good business policy IMHO.

Also, not sure if you're aware or not but "BitBridge" is at times "buggy" and it limits the amount of memory a VST can utilize.
With Samplers, that's an issue....especially in a Large Scale Project...


And THESE THINGS are the issues being addressed....

I do appreciate your perspective!

My points about Dimension Pro were to make a point of the hypocrisy of the issue here. You complain about Sampletank not being 64 bit or being updated in years but it A) Still works perfectly fine and even works with the 64 bit version of Sonar or with J Bridge if you are using another DAW and B) Just because its been promised does not mean its not going to happen.
 
Its odd how you turned that into an issue with Dimension Pro. I have my beef with DP and a lot of things Cakewalk does so for the most part I use other things that replace those tools. The only Cakewalk tool I use is Zeta 2. I would love to use Rapture again if they updated the browser. I only came into this thread because I love the new T-Racks module and modules. One last thing why are you talking about me hijacking your thread when you started a thread about T-Racks and Amplitube but have spent the bulk of it crying about Sampletank not being 64 bit.
 
I am not the problem its people like you who instead of fixing your problem go on and blame someone else for YOUR issues. Its not IK's fault that you chose to move on to a 64 bit DAW. That is on you. Again most of the major DAWs have only gone 64 bit in the last year or two so IK is doing fine since not every user is on a 64 bit DAW yet. Many people are still using 32 bit solutions and are not early adopters to new technology. And considering Sampletank was designed with 32 bit in mind back in what 2001? Its current form really does not need 64 bit for anything more than compatibility with other DAWs. I know bit bridges can be buggy and annoying and I am as ready for Sampletank 3 as anyone else but it is a issue when someone such as yourself looks at a company releasing a new product and uses it as ammunition for beating them up for not updating the product that you want them to update.
 
To my understanding they are totally overhauling Sampletank new sample library, new gui, new everything and that takes time. They haven't lied or broken any promises they just haven't finished fullfilling that promise and people have grown impatient. I personally am choosing to use Kontakt until Sampletank 3 is ready I suggest you consider doing the same because again beating up on Obi will not make Sampletank 3 come out any faster. He isn't even a plug in developer he's an online rep to tell people about their products. 

cclarry
Kevwest,
 
You're right...it's not going to come any faster....because of people like yourself who sit back and
let the COMPANY dictate to you who, what, and when, when in fact, the COMPANY should be responding TO YOU THE CUSTOMER,
who is the ENTIRE REASON that the Company exists!  We have this exact same issue in Government.
 
Cakewalks products may be archaic to you...but they work perfectly fine, and get the job done...and ARE 64 bit...
and Cakewalk has made no promises to update Dimension Pro...so take YOUR OWN ADVICE and STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT IT!!!
And why hijack MY THREAD to post your complaints about Dimension Pro?  I'm just curious.  

My points are indeed valid and legitimate...your point is legitimate as well, but should be posted in a different thread,
not this one that relates to IK Products..

You are certainly entitled to your "opinion", but MOST here completely disagree with your perspective...

My favorite quote from your post:

"You aren't saying anything about IK that people haven't been saying all over the net"  I hope Obi reads that...I'm well aware of it...

YET you have some desire to berate me for a legitimate complaint about IK, and then you hijack my IK thread for YOUR OWN
PERSONAL COMPLAINT AGAINST CAKEWALK....that seems petty and unprofessional...

If IK is overhauling ST, it should have been done 3 YEARS AGO, when it was promised...not now, after releasing a BILLION iCraps,
and iHardware, and iKeys, and iThis, and iThat, and updates to programs that have JUST BEEN UPDATED....

I don't demand they work on my time frame, I merely state that they shouldn't promise things and not deliver,
they shouldn't neglect customers who've spent hundreds, if not thousands of dollars on programs that haven't been
supported in 4 years, while they keep flooding us with other things and NOT the thing that was promised years ago...
that, to me, is a breach of ethics for the sake of a dollar...not good business policy IMHO.

Also, not sure if you're aware or not but "BitBridge" is at times "buggy" and it limits the amount of memory a VST can utilize.
With Samplers, that's an issue....especially in a Large Scale Project...


And THESE THINGS are the issues being addressed....

I do appreciate your perspective!

My points about Dimension Pro were to make a point of the hypocrisy of the issue here. You complain about Sampletank not being 64 bit or being updated in years but it A) Still works perfectly fine and even works with the 64 bit version of Sonar or with J Bridge if you are using another DAW and B) Just because its been promised does not mean its not going to happen.
 
Its odd how you turned that into an issue with Dimension Pro. I have my beef with DP and a lot of things Cakewalk does so for the most part I use other things that replace those tools. The only Cakewalk tool I use is Zeta 2. I would love to use Rapture again if they updated the browser. I only came into this thread because I love the new T-Racks module and modules. One last thing why are you talking about me hijacking your thread when you started a thread about T-Racks and Amplitube but have spent the bulk of it crying about Sampletank not being 64 bit.
 
I am not the problem its people like you who instead of fixing your problem go on and blame someone else for YOUR issues. Its not IK's fault that you chose to move on to a 64 bit DAW. That is on you. Again most of the major DAWs have only gone 64 bit in the last year or two so IK is doing fine since not every user is on a 64 bit DAW yet. Many people are still using 32 bit solutions and are not early adopters to new technology. And considering Sampletank was designed with 32 bit in mind back in what 2001? Its current form really does not need 64 bit for anything more than compatibility with other DAWs. I know bit bridges can be buggy and annoying and I am as ready for Sampletank 3 as anyone else but it is a issue when someone such as yourself looks at a company releasing a new product and uses it as ammunition for beating them up for not updating the product that you want them to update.
 
To my understanding they are totally overhauling Sampletank new sample library, new gui, new everything and that takes time. They haven't lied or broken any promises they just haven't finished fullfilling that promise and people have grown impatient. I personally am choosing to use Kontakt until Sampletank 3 is ready I suggest you consider doing the same because again beating up on Obi will not make Sampletank 3 come out any faster. He isn't even a plug in developer he's an online rep to tell people about their products. 

MachineClaw
This thread has gotten so out of hand.  just beating on Obi.
 
I personally could care less about sampletank 3 or when it comes out.  shheeeh.
 
sampletank 3 was promised 3 years ago.  news flash there was a HUGE recession and to keep business floating as things change rapidly new business needed to be worked on to pay the bills.  worked the IK iapps have been a huge success, even if you don't like them or I don't use them they are a HUGE part of IK and their business.
 
Now they have some resources to put into Sampletank 3 and get back to what they had originally planned, we'll see if it's any good once it's released.
 
I almost kinda wished that IK had come out and said nope, we are abandoning that old stuff it is what it is.  then ya'll could rest peacefully.  though ya would probably still **** and moan that ya didn't get what ya paid for or were promised.
 
can't ya just wait and see or let it go?  really?
 
doesn't matter.  this thread has made me want to go linger somewhere else for a while.  way too much heat here.

+1 Well I am excited to see Sampletank 3 come out. IK has been saying for years its coming but never said when. Now they say by the end of 2012 so in all reality we will most likely see ST 3 come out in the next 90 days so they can get some of that Christmas money. I still find it absurd though to rage against a company for not working the way that you want them to work. Is it frustrating? Of course hell I am a long time Reason owner I know how frustrating it is to not get what you want out of the software you paid for but you at some point have to make a choice. My choice was to not upgrade to Reason 7 move on to Sonar X1 which I was also unhappy with and ended up using Live which I love and making music. 

YUTES...
 
Not one person in here is beating on Obi....hate to pop yer bubble...
and you are the one who brought up your issues with Cake and DP...
and if you read the VERY FIRST LINE IN MY POST IT STATES
 
SAMPLETANK 3 IS STILL A NO SHOW....DUH!

Keep slinging those dollars at this company boys...they love ya for it...
and they'll treat ya right...

As my Uncle always used to say to me...

A fool and his money are soon a party...

@IK Obi
 
I NEVER said IK suck at what they do. I did say the IK forum is run like the gestapo. Why? Because there is no free speech there. Don't put words in my mouth when you can't even process what was said.
 
If saying that ST3 has been touted as  "in the works" for over 2 years now, that's not saying IK sucks. That's saying you guys at IK have been saying that for over 2 years now. Is that clear enough?
 
So you guys at IK can keep on making great plug ins and saying ST3 is in the works. Please come back in 2 years when ST3 is done and let us know. Also, please let us know of other great plug ins along the way.