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2013/11/23 05:25:28
aj
Thanks everyone for your most helpful responses. As some have mentioned, there is an element of 'sticker shock' here but the way I have been progressively augmenting my VST collection is to acquire them when one of the vendors has a sale. Thus, I acquired the full Kontakt 5 sampler for around 150 dollars and Geist for 100 bucks and so forth. So now I have some recommendations I will see if one or more of the non-iLok vendors decides to have a sale and then see how it goes. Frankly I think a lot of these products are unrealistically priced - I appreciate the time and effort that goes into their creation but a lot of potential purchasers are not necessarily in the music business making money (in my case it's a great relaxing hobby that gets me away from software development, which is what pays my rent).
 
I don't want to seem disrespectful to Cakewalk by discussing a direct competitor in their forums, but Reaper's pricing and protection model doesn't seem to have hurt it - no copy protection at all, just a nag screen, and a two-tiered pricing model which acknowledges that a lot of their customers don't make much money if any from the music industry. Almost as good is Sonar's protection model where once you have the serial numbers you're good to go, or reinstall, without any further faffing around. I'll mention Musiclabs in that category as well, since again they give you a serial number once you register and you can reinstall any time afterwards. I respect their trust in me and don't exploit it. (actually that was another product where I purchased RealStrat at a reasonable price then they offered a great upgrade deal to include RealGuitar and RealLPC and I couldn't resist. Couldn't afford them at full price. Marvellous products, I love them to bits, probably some of the best VSTs I've ever purchased, to be honest).
 
I've always assumed that software vendors are well aware that a certain number of purchasers simply won't look at iLok-protected software and factor that in when making their copy-protection decisions. They're convinced that their purchasers are all leading studio composers like John Williams, I guess, where these sort of issues simply don't matter. When in fact there's an awful lot of students or people who enjoy music as something that gets them away from their day job, and they are not making any money out of it. I mean, who is, these days?
 
It is for this reason I don't own a copy of a couple of high-end piano libraries, much though I would like them, and I absolutely have no intention of ever backtracking on this for any reason whatsoever. You're correct, though, we should collectively let the vendors know how we feel about the various methods of copy protection. If, at least, it was never more onerous that Native Instruments online registration, I'd be perfectly happy. But that's my 'line in the sand'. Anything further and I'm not biting.
 
2013/11/23 06:38:28
aj
So, I went back listening to various demos and ended up somewhere completely else, listening to demos of the Embertone Friedlander Violin, nothing whatsoever to do with choirs of course. I was so impressed I went to their web site to see what the cost was - USD110. Now that's the kind of money I can kinda spend without too much deliberation, so I purchased it. Still downloading, will report back in a completely new thread what I think when I get it, but the demos are really impressive, if it turns out to be as good as RealGuitar/Strat/LPC which were just as playable as the demos promised, then I will be very happy. And still choirless, of course..... (well, I do have some choir samples, of course, thanks to Kontakt etc) -  but then, if someone had a good choir sample set for 110 bucks they would have got my business (as mentioned above).
2013/11/23 06:48:42
Glyn Barnes
aj
And still choirless, of course..... (well, I do have some choir samples, of course, thanks to Kontakt etc) -  but then, if someone had a good choir sample set for 110 bucks they would have got my business (as mentioned above).




This was mentioned before, at $129 not too far out of the price range. -  http://www.soundiron.com/instruments/choirs/oeplayer/ It looks like the non player version is no longer available, it was slightly cheaper for owner of the full Kontakt.
 
Soundiron watermark the samples as copy protection, invisable to the user but they could be traced back to you if they end up all over the internet. Fair enough.
2013/11/23 06:52:58
Sycraft
One thing with regards to Choirs is the Soundiron folks have two cheaper sets. However they have a cut down version that is $130 and a really cut down version for $20. Depending on what you need, maybe the cut down version does the trick for you.
 
Do note though that the full and $20 versions are unprotected, just a bunch of WAV files and NKIs, but the cut down version uses NI's registration DRM. On the plus side the protection means it works with Kontakt Player, but if you already own the real deal then it doesn't help. Unprotected libraries need the full Kontakt.
 
Oh and if you like guitars, check out Pettinhouse. You are probably already set with what you have, but that guy makes some nice, completely dry, guitar samples. Also unprotected.
2013/11/23 10:32:12
Bajan Blue
Just to say that the Bela D stuff is normally $100 or so
2013/11/23 17:01:59
aj
Hmm thanks hadn't spotted the elements version. Although I kind of hanker for being able to have them sing portentous and meaningless phrases, which implies one of the bigger libraries. Might wait a little and see if anyone has a sale, but thanks for the advice..
2013/11/26 01:50:46
Sycraft
Ok go buy the Soundiron Choir right now. I just bought the elements version and it is damn amazing. Blows EWQL Symphonic Choir out of the water. It is exceedingly easy to use, and a steal right now (they are having a 30% off sale). They really knocked this one out of the park. I went for the elements version because I'm cheap and because I wanted full choir samples since that is less effort to work with. Right now, you get it for under a hundred. I'm debating buying the full deal too just for fun, though I don't think I will since I really want some strings and BFD3 as well.
2013/11/27 22:58:13
Vastman
soundiron is having a 40% sale on all their amazing choirs and voicings.... 
listening to this right now...awesome 44 gigs of bliss!
http://www.soundiron.com/instruments/bundles/olympus-symphonic-choir-bundle/
 
but go to their main page... lots of voices/choirs
 
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