Ironically, for what I believe, neither Creationism or Evolution is strictly needed.

Spontaneous generation??
 
Or is that combustion??

yorolpal
Spontaneous generation??
 
Or is that combustion??

Cosmic flatulence?
 
(Actually, you're quite close.)

I swear it wasn't me.  He who smelt it dealt it!
 

BigBen

yorolpal
And I think you might be confusing philosophy and science there Starise, ol pal.  When science does happen to "solve" a social problem it is quite often an unintended consequence of solving a physical one. And again, science is a continuum not a final end point...it is simply our best and most up to date way of explaining what things are and how they work.  Science MUST be disprovable in order to work.  Simplz.
 
My point was simply that as science, i.e. our knowledge of the physical world, proceeds our reliance on or need for supernatural answers will recede.  Like entropy...that can't be reversed.
 

The utter incompatibility of Darwinian evolution and Sacred Scripture must be recognized. If belief in Adam and Eve is destroyed, then the entire Catholic Faith falls to pieces.
 
Because, if evolution is true then Adam and Eve did not even exist.
If Adam and Eve did not exist, then there is no such thing as original sin.
If there's no such thing as original sin, there is no need to be redeemed from original sin.
If there is no need for a redeemer, then there is no need for the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity to become Man and die on the Cross for our sins.
If there is no such thing as the Sacrifice of the Cross then there is no such thing as the sacrifice of the Mass, etc., etc., etc.
Evolution: Critical for the Atheist Agenda
 
Why is evolution kept alive? Why are we not told that Darwinism is dead? That there is devastating evidence against the theory of evolution? Because ^___ if evolution is taken away, practically every major world view of our modern day will have nothing to support it and will come crashing to the ground. Modernism. Communism. Secular Humanism. Eugenics. The New Age Movement and even the atheistic United Nations ^___ are all based upon the theory of evolution and could not survive without it. Take evolution away, and it would destroy the entire godless superstructure of our modern world in which all these erroneous ideas and institutions reign supreme.
 
The only explanation for the endless propagation of this unscientific theory, is that evolution is actually a pre-scientific prejudice serving not as a scientific end, but rather, a religious end ^___ the uprooting of the Christian belief in Creation and the moral order based on it. Evolution is not an affirmation of scientific fact, it is a declaration of war against Christ, His Church and Christian civilization.

Syllogism upon syllogism upon syllogism. I would be inclined to tell you just the opposite - that your evaluation and understanding of atheism (and pretty much everything else) is totally clouded by your faith. You've already decided what you want to be the truth and you twist everything around or misinterpret and discard it, proving that religion and reason have a hard time coexisting peacefully. 
 
 
You see atheism as having an agenda against YOUR belief - that is over-exaggerating the importance of christianity as only (some) christians can do. 3/4 of humanity has nothing to do with it. But obviously, christianity is the only truth isn't it? If it weren't you could not have faith. So from the beginning, your mind is made up. Everything will fall in two categories - what reinforces your faith and what contradicts it and must be discarded. Black or white.
 
What you call modern world views (communism, really?) and the way YOU put them into relation with faith has very little to do with the truth. I can assure you that secular humanism needs no evolution theory, just empathy.
 
It's frightening to think that you would feel so disconnected from your fellow human beings that you feel that you need a divine authority to threaten you with eternal damnation to be kind to others. It's even more frightening to think that you lack empathy that much that you actually firmly believe that other humans can only be just like you.
 
I'm guessing that if I had so little compassion and empathy, I too would probably like to think that every other man on earth is as guilty of that as I am. And I'd probably hope that there is a God up there to forgive us. Because it would take a God to forgive such lack of love for our brothers, wouldn't it?
 
If morality is what matters I wouldn't worry about the collapse of modernism. Even the most primitive tribes can demonstrate more empathy than you seem able to imagine (though I'm sure that you can twist it around and tell us that God made them empathic).
 
One thing I've come to learn is that what comes naturally is usually not regarded as valuable... A dogma which holds love and forgiveness as its central values and make them attributes of their divinity must be designed to tame some very peculiar hearts. I don't know. To me, being nice is the easiest thing to do most of the time. I have a much harder time being an arse when I must be. 

 
Some interesting stuff here...
 

 
 
I can heartily recommend Faircloth's excellent (and quite frightening) book - Attack of the Theocrats:
How the Religious Right Harms Us All--And What We Can Do about It (Amazon: US | UK)

 
This is interesting too:
 

 
 
I wish we had someone like Faircloth in this country who would advocate for the separation of church and state.

I completely agree with Faircloth's idea of promoting and exposing the truth, but with all these world governments swimming in a cesspool of curruption, it will be to no avail.
Even Pontius Pilate asked "what is truth?". 
 
There's only one truth.....God's Truth.
 
The very people that were gifted with the knowledge of holding the Truth (the Catholic church), have abandoned it to suit modern man. Ever since Vatican II came into its being, it accomplished the biggest error in the history of the Catholic church:
 
1) It has changed the Catholic Faith from a God centered faith to a man centered faith.
 
During the process of fullfillinging this liberal and modernistic agenda, the "True Faith" (which has been practiced for 2000 years) is slowly being extinguished. Just look up Traditional Catholicism and you'll find out that there's only a very few of us in the world that still practice the True Faith.  
 
How do I know this is the "True Faith" you ask? After many years of research, I found out that all the other so called religions are man made, but the Catholic Faith and the Church is directly from Jesus Christ/God. Jesus didn't say "upon this rock I build My churches", but rather "upon this rock I build My Church". This faith was handed down to the apostles which had been handed down through traditon thoughout the history of the Church (until Vat. II). I've also read the quran, the talmud, and many of the various protestant bibles etc.....during my quest for finding the "truth". All the others can be traced back to man.
 
The Catholic Faith is solely based on God's Truth. God doesn't change, He never has and never will. It's man that keeps changing his views to suit his fancy.
 
The modern "Catholic" church (Vatican II) has just been an utter disaster from it's inception and is completely responsible for the millions and millions of lost souls. With all these pedophile, embezzling, homesexual, (name your currpution here) etc..... of so called "priests" within that keep committing these hienous crimes, just to get transfered when they're caught. This is NOT the Catholic Faith. God will justly punish them. If you are interested in finding the truth and do your diligent research, you'll find out that prior to the 1960's (pre-Vatican II), this voluminous problem in the church didn't exist. If a priest, brother, or seminarian did "stray" away from the faith, there always were consequences that they had to face (including confinement, penance, mortifications, banishment from an order etc...).  
 
It's not surprising at all to see so many people that lose their faith or are just confused with what the faith is......i.e. all these various denominations and religions that keep popping up like flies, it's no wonder that their leader is the one who truly profits from their system.
 
BTW Steve, per a PM I sent you sometime back on a Catholic Bishop: Richard Williamson, in which you automatically branded him as an "excommunicated" Bishop. The "truth" is that Bishop Williams was/is the only true Catholic Bishop that is currently and always has resisted Vatican II and all the changes it brought. During the 1960's, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was the original one to stand up for the "True Faith" and courageously fight all the novelties/changes of Vatican II and he confirmed Bishop Williamson). Bp. Williamson has always spoken the truth (just Youtube it and see for yourself), openly speaks against the errors, (no matter whom is at the receiving end: muslims, jews, Catholics, pagans, atheists, agnostics etc...and most of it I'm sure is much to their dislike).  
 
Here's a video talk by Bishop Richard Williams which talks about truth, reason, faith etc..... I highly recommend watching it and see if he's lying/talking off his head.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA76wWm0IlY
    

BigBen
 
I completely agree with Faircloth's idea of promoting and exposing the truth, but with all these world governments swimming in a cesspool of curruption, it will be to no avail.
Even Pontius Pilate asked "what is truth?". 
 
There's only one truth.....God's Truth.
 
The very people that were gifted with the knowledge of holding the Truth (the Catholic church), have abandoned it to suit modern man. Ever since Vatican II came into its being, it accomplished the biggest error in the history of the Catholic church:
 
1) It has changed the Catholic Faith from a God centered faith to a man centered faith.
 
During the process of fullfillinging this liberal and modernistic agenda, the "True Faith" (which has been practiced for 2000 years) is slowly being extinguished. Just look up Traditional Catholicism and you'll find out that there's only a very few of us in the world that still practice the True Faith.  
 
How do I know this is the "True Faith" you ask? After many years of research, I found out that all the other so called religions are man made, but the Catholic Faith and the Church is directly from Jesus Christ/God. Jesus didn't say "upon this rock I build My churches", but rather "upon this rock I build My Church". This faith was handed down to the apostles which had been handed down through traditon thoughout the history of the Church (until Vat. II). I've also read the quran, the talmud, and many of the various protestant bibles etc.....during my quest for finding the "truth". All the others can be traced back to man.
 
The Catholic Faith is solely based on God's Truth. God doesn't change, He never has and never will. It's man that keeps changing his views to suit his fancy.
 
 

That is EXACTLY - to a T - the same reasoning that you'll hear from Jehovah's Witnesses.
 
And I'm sure, pretty close to many other fundamentalist cults who truly believe that their system of belief is the only one that originated from a supernatural being. 
 
In other words, there are not just a few of you guys who are convinced to have accessed the holy truth, who have all the proofs and who've actually carefully reasoned the who thing.
 
The guys who's convinced that he's Napoleon and the one who thinks he's Alexander the great both suffer from the same disease of the mind, as unique as they believe they are.
 
From the moment you insist that there is only one truth, God's truth, and that this isn't your opinion but the truth, this no longer is a discussion. 
 
So I'll counter that with a similar fallacy : I and only I can be right. And any argument which states the opposite is de facto wrong because of that first proposition. 
 
By the way, the history of the Catholic church is nothing new to me and to many others I'm sure. It doesn't give any weight to your argument. In fact, once again, that's EXACTLY how all sects work - they'll tell you that some mischievous men have hidden the truth from us and corrupted the teachings of the prophet but that their movement can re-establish the original teachings in their perfection. 


Your argument that the Catholic Church received its treating from Jesus is also not an argument - it's a belief, based upon a belief based upon a belief based upon a belief.
 
I don't believe in Adam and Eve nor in the original sin, therefore I don't believe in a Messiah - who'd be the son of a God whom I don't believe in and born through Immaculate conception which I also don't believe in, that is, if Jesus ever existed (there probably was a man named Jesus).
 
That is a glimpse of all the assumptions upon which your unique truth reigns supremes.

        Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!"
He said, "Nobody loves me."I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"He said, "Yes."I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?"He said, "A Christian."I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?"He said, "Protestant."I said, "Me, too! What franchise?"He said, "Baptist."I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?"He said, "Northern Baptist."I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist."I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region."I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?"He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912."I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.