backwoods
I don't like being lectured about science by guys who don't understand it themselves rain.

LOL

Ok - maybe I don't know "science", after all.
Maybe science is something metaphysical which I need to be enlighten about.
Maybe what really matter is not science but it's place in the world, and your understanding of its workings.
 
So I'll ask the rest of the guys to please tell me - do I really miss the point? Am I that stupid that I don't know "science"? I'll step out if I'm that offbeat...
 

Rain
Ok - maybe I don't know "science", after all.
Maybe science is something metaphysical which I need to be enlighten about.
Maybe what really matter is not science but it's place in the world, and your understanding of its workings.
 
So I'll ask the rest of the guys to please tell me - do I really miss the point? Am I that stupid that I don't know "science"? I'll step out if I'm that offbeat...
 

Feynman talks about this common error too. He calls it "how long is the emperors nose". No one had seen the emperor of china and someone wanted to know how long his nose was so he went and asked everyone and averaged it out. 

 
I have a theory theorum hypothesis.
 
Religion has always sought to stifle science and stand in the way of technological innovation.
 
And it always will.
 
But not because science disagrees directly in so many ways with what the bible says.
 
Oh no...
 
The reason is simple when you think about it a little.
 
Believers know that one day down the line, science will discover how to time travel.
 
And when that happens, we will be able to pop back and see for ourselves that the events described in the bible, specifically those ascribed to a supernatural deity, didn't really happen.
 
The more they can slow scientific progress down, the longer it will take for the time machine to be invented.
 
Simples.
 
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And no Krist, you most certainly are not missing the point.

Religion has always sought to stifle science and stand in the way of technological innovation.
 
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Although I can very comfortably accept your premise that there is waste, mismanagement, corruption and downright ignorance in the field of science...just as there is in every other discipline on planet Earth...I'm still totally unclear on what you're arguing for or against by stating it. I mean its like saying "sometimes life's a b i t c h" to which any thoughtful person would have to rejoinder, "yep, sho is."

You certainly can't mean that because there is weak science taking place daily or that there are scientific findings you deem crap or simply choose not to believe that ALL science should be discounted. Can you?

Well, religion by its very nature is quite correct to fear and stifle science and the advancement of the knowledge base. It is the driving force of the steady and ever increasing erosion of religious rituals and dogma which, barring some unforeseen and devastating new "dark ages", will eventually rid mankind of this stultifying albatross once and for all.

backwoods

Rain
Ok - maybe I don't know "science", after all.
Maybe science is something metaphysical which I need to be enlighten about.
Maybe what really matter is not science but it's place in the world, and your understanding of its workings.
 
So I'll ask the rest of the guys to please tell me - do I really miss the point? Am I that stupid that I don't know "science"? I'll step out if I'm that offbeat...
 

Feynman talks about this common error too. He calls it "how long is the emperors nose". No one had seen the emperor of china and someone wanted to know how long his nose was so he went and asked everyone and averaged it out. 

You didn't have a leg to stand on when you mentioned being a "New Testament" christian. Even your fellow christians know better than that. See BigBen's post. 
 
 
If you can take that kind of liberty with your own system of belief, then you'll just twist every thing to your liking. As you did when you carefully tip toe around the posts that challenged you to further explain that fact and never gave a straight answer.
 
Not only do I know what science is, but unlike you, I'm not delusional enough to believe that others might not know. Heck, even you probably know what science is - though in this discussion you just confuse it and its purpose w/ religion.
 
I also seem to know religion, christianity and your whole distorted personal loose adaptation of that religion much better than you. If it helps you better accept that, I can pull out some metaphor about a Chinese emperor to prove I'm right.
 
Your interpretation of what science is, is, however, yours and yours only. That's something I couldn't possibly know about, you are right. Not that it's be of any use. 
 
FWIW, I don't care that you don't like being lectured by me.
I don't particularly like to discuss w/ someone who doesn't want to make the difference between an argument and a blanket statement.
But FWIW, I'm not arguing with you, I'm arguing at you.
 
 
As long as anyone brings religion against the TOS, I'll make sure that the opposite view is heard.

OK- I can't expalin it to you personally- here is wikipedia
 
Christianity (from the Ancient Greek translation Χριστός, Christos of the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ, Mašíaḥ, meaning "the anointed one"[1] and the Latin suffixes ian and -itas) is amonotheistic[2] religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus Christ as presented in the New Testament.

Amen..