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  • Fanboi mania still alive and well on the Sonar Facebook group
2018/01/30 17:45:46
sharke
Just got a tongue lashing from the moderator for mentioning Sonar's bugs and stability issues in response to someone claiming that Sonar's only problem was "poor marketing." Got the usual "why are you here, I don't even recall you ever being helpful" when in fact I've helped people out with problems on many occasions (and also have spent hundreds of hours beta testing). These people are truly deranged, it's sad to see. All this "well Sonar works great for me and I never see a single bug so you must obviously be doing something wrong" crap is why people left the Sonar community in droves. Where does this mentality come from? Is it just emotion or what? LOL!
2018/01/30 17:48:21
jamesg1213
I don't know why you bother, just leave 'em to it. It's all irrelevant now anyway.
2018/01/30 17:50:46
sharke
Yeah I know - I just thought that while I'm still using Sonar (which I'm forced to do until I can complete my unfinished projects), I might as well still take part in the community, and the thing is I've helped loads of people out in those groups or otherwise chimed in when people are having problems, which I've always been happy to do if I can. Some of the fanbois are just plain nasty though. 
2018/01/30 18:16:52
CakeAlexSHere
This fanboy fanaticism and the products stability & reputation, mixed with poor marketing and listening to everyday DAW users is basically why we see the end of Sonar IMHO. I said it years ago and ended up getting chased out of here, others were saying the same (mostly outside the forums, as these forums were a closed "Truman show" ecosystem).

Sonar is definitely THE DAW with the most personality but sadly it should have checked itself into the Betty Ford Clinic years ago.

So we are where we are, an installed product that may deactivate itself at some stage (regardless of promises) and forums moderators running around deleting posts by stealth (who strangely do not work for Gibson).
2018/01/30 18:21:06
sharke
Yeah I've noticed that whenever the subject of Sonar comes up on other forums like KVR or Gearslutz, there are a lot of people saying that the fanaticism and emotion on the Sonar forum contributed to them jumping ship. The idea that by talking about issues and complaints that you're somehow "letting the side down" is a huge turn off for many. 
2018/01/30 18:30:59
CakeAlexSHere
Hence the fanboy mentality. Here was the church, it was fueled by a few great leaders working for Gibson. They sometimes had a lot of interesting things to say but whatever you do.. you don't disagree with them or start a debate or you will get lynch mobbed. They were all seeing .. all knowing.. and their opinions were right all the time!! (Or risk being deemed a negative influence!!)

Now their heads are decapitated this period may be the first time ever we see (sometimes) fairly sensible conversations about bugs and workflow difficulties without it being hijacked (much). Sad thing is that nothing will progress.

My main worry now is that wherever they go the crazed fanbase will follow, I've already seen this in other DAW forums frantically posting their fav ex cakewalk blogger has a new blog out and certain people just creaming themselves and thanking their great leader several times...and that includes some mods over there as well.. This never used to happen, popularism sadly is seriously infectious.
2018/01/30 18:40:51
Just Another Bloke
Fakebook is the debbil I tells ya.
2018/01/30 19:02:16
sharke
Just Another Bloke
Fakebook is the debbil I tells ya.




 
If only it were just the platform. 
2018/01/30 19:18:33
Voda La Void
Social media is bad for society, I'm convinced.  I kind of fall in line with Jordan Peterson on the matter, but I'm a little more convinced than he is.  
 
I don't much about others' experiences with Cakewalk, but I do have a sentimental connection with the DAW.  I think it's because when I first got Cakewalk 2 decades ago ( or more...f*&k I'm old ) it was just such a recording liberation.  I had been using Tascam 4 track recorders and this computer based recording thing was a whole new thing to me, and to the musicians I played with.  I had to use this forum to figure anything out because no one knew anything about this stuff.  
 
It blew my whole music world wide open.  Suddenly, all of these songs in my head, over all those years, could be fully realized.  MIDI provided all the instruments I couldn't afford and couldn't play and I could layer the hell out of these songs and really show people what was going on in my head.  It was so gratifying and ate up all my time for the next 20 years. 
 
I never ventured out enough to even really discover there were other DAWs.  I thought Pro Tools was for Mac, and Cakewalk was for PC.  I thought Cubase was a Johnny come lately.  I was in a little cocoon and had no idea.  But, it was ok really, because it did everything I needed and I would have never switched anyway. Didn't need to.
 
Anyways...I'm sure that's NOT why others are fanboys of Cakewalk, but it's certainly why I'm sentimental about it and hate that its dead.  
2018/01/30 19:24:27
bitman
Only think good thoughts or be sent out into the cornfield.
 
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