2013/10/22 13:38:26
Guitarhacker
people these days are just plain mean.... a soulless sort of mean.... you can not take that chance that if you treat them nice and go along to get along they will do you a favor....
 
Like Clint Eastwood said on one of his movies....  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yid-CW-O9Qw   and that my friends, is the truth.
2013/10/22 13:52:26
slartabartfast
Something like that happened to me once, only I looked out the window. Turned out it was a neighbor drunk out of his gourd who couldn't figure out why his key would no longer fit. Luckily we were able to sort out the error and get him home, without blowing a large hole in my door.
2013/10/22 14:52:30
Starise
  jbow noone should blame a guy for trying to protect his wife and possessions. I think most would opt for that stategy. I have to hand it to my friend for keeping it together. I think in his case it saved him and his wife. Maybe in another situation grabbing that glass candle holder at just the right time or grabbing a gun is the answer.
 
 As far as my stuff is concerned, it's only stuff. If it came down to me or my stuff my family is more important than anything material. It would probably be a vain attempt against two or more thugs with weapons but if they tried to hurt my wife I would probably die trying to protect her. If they attempted to hurt me and I had a way to stop that, you bet I would. Since most robberies are not motivated by anything more than a person who wants to loot. IOW they have no real interest in hurting you unless you get in the way. Then if they are hell bent on  having my stuff, let em' have it and I'll call the cops and likely get it all back at some point. 
 
 Quite a few years ago a church we went to was robbed. They took all of the sound gear. It wasn't two weeks later they were apprehended and all the gear was returned. They had gotten careless after having robbed numerous establishments and businesses. There are happy endings to lost and stolen stuff sometimes. 
 
  I looked into the whole camera thing. Those fake cameras look fake...from a distance. There are workarounds for everything and you need to build in backups for the backups. If they can get to your electric meter all they need to do is pull it and your cameras go bye bye.Seeing the cameras can be both good and bad. If you see them you can find ways to avoid them. You can "blind" a sensitive night camera with simply a very bright flashlight. And most importantly, if they rob you, you will have pics of what? Most of the time the culprit is disguised and you see the pics after the event has already occurred.If you have wireless cameras the batts can get low. If you have wired cameras the wires can be cut. I'm not saying cameras are useless but there are holes a smart criminal can get through.
 
 I think both cameras and guns are sometimes more of a pacifier than any actual good. They make us feel like we are protected, but are we really? Everything is conditional. A stupid crook might get caught. The more savy ones not so much. Sorry Herb, are security companies selling actual security or prying on fears? There is the feeling of security with cameras, guns, window sensors etc etc. It certainly can be a deterrent. From a criminal perspective they might think, " Why do they have their house under so much security? There must be something really valuable in there". In that case they might be even more prone to consider breaking in. Visible security can draw attention to yourself. The fake camera seems middle ground. " This guy was too cheap to buy a real security system." Maybe hidden security is the best. Maybe the scarf will fall off his face and the hidden camera might catch it. 
2013/10/22 16:15:33
The Maillard Reaction
Some of the camera/alarm systems will call 911 automatically.

The automatic part gives people a few extra seconds to figure out how to slide the action.
2013/10/22 16:15:56
craigb
911 should have been called immediately.  Tell them exactly which doorknobs were tried and maybe they can get some fingerprints off of them.  Calling would, at least, get them to send a patrol car to cruise the neighborhood and THAT might be just enough to save someone else.
2013/10/22 17:40:51
tom1
Latest reports from yesterday's shooting in Nevada says the kid got the gun from his home and the parents may be held responsible.
 
 
So, if I'm a responsible gun owner, I keep it where the children do not have access; maybe storing the ammunition separately; padlocked etc.
 
 
Then how do I get to it if I need it in a hurry?
 
 
 
I'm sorry but most gun owners scare the hell out of me; and the ones that are expert marksmen (weekly trips to the firing range) scare me the most.
 
2013/10/23 01:44:44
backwoods
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2013/10/23 06:25:47
Shambler
Sorry to hear about this J, can't really offer any advice other than what's already been said.
2013/10/23 06:31:11
Shambler
tom1
Latest reports from yesterday's shooting in Nevada says the kid got the gun from his home and the parents may be held responsible.
 
 
So, if I'm a responsible gun owner, I keep it where the children do not have access; maybe storing the ammunition separately; padlocked etc.
 
 
Then how do I get to it if I need it in a hurry?
 
 
 
I'm sorry but most gun owners scare the hell out of me; and the ones that are expert marksmen (weekly trips to the firing range) scare me the most.
 



In the UK we don't have anywhere near the problems associated with gun ownership because most people don't own one,the licensing laws are much stricter.
 
I used to go shooting at a range myself, .22 calibre revolvers and auto's, guns owned by the club.
 
The USA is where it is with gun ownership, it's hard to come back from the route that's been taken and it's one reason I hope they never relax the laws in the UK.
 
If I was in J's situation and country I would be taking similar action to what he is.
2013/10/23 13:24:10
bitflipper
Cameras are a very good idea, since in all likelihood it's a neighbor kid who you might recognize. A chat might be all it would take, either with the kid or with his mom 'n dad. 
 
I have a camera here that sees in total darkness, responds to motion, takes a snapshot of the intruder and uploads it to my ftp server so that even if he smashes the camera it's too late for him - his photo's already on disk in another location. This camera was only a hundred bucks (although it's only for indoor use; outdoor cameras are a little pricier).
 
In case you're not paranoid enough already, read this:
http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/who-will-protect-you-from-the-police-the-rise-of-government-sanctioned-home-invasions-2/
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