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  • Dealing with a squeaky/noisy screw in tremolo bar: Plumber's tape
2015/04/07 14:53:29
Beepster
This is ghetto, DIY, cheap arse mofo advice. There are probably fancy froo, costly "solutions" to this issue but this work and costs under a penny.
 
So I don't do a lot of whammy bar work. Never liked the things. I play hard. I bend hard. I generally abuse my instrument. Whammy bars just become a huge pain in my buttsicles... especially Floyd Rose's and other locking systems. They go out of tune (I don't just mean when actually dive bombing but I won't go into that). I have other ways to make things go nutty.
 
Whatever. Sometimes though they are necessary and I'm in one of those moments where I need to do some trem bar work.
 
The problem is my Yamaha Pacifica has a screw in whammy bar. They are squeaky, noisy, slide out of place and although no one will notice that kind of stuff in a live setting when recording that noise becomes a REAL problem. I cannot even have the thing screwed in while recording or it just makes a racket over the performance. It also has probably a millimeter or so of give on either the up or down pull so when I go to use it instead of instant response it clunks against the female threading. It is not very useful especially when recording.
 
I had been bouncing around this idea for a while but never had the motive to try it until now. My ancient Ibanez has a pop in trem bar with plastic washers that basically keeps the bar in place and eliminates all that noise so that inspired me to get my Yammie's screw in bar to behave in a similar manner.
 
Solution? Plumber's tape. Just that white graphite tape you would use to wrap around the threads of the pipe sticking out of your shower before screwing on your shower head. No glue or whatever. It's just meant to add some material in between the threads to prevent leaks.
 
I put a few turns of that onto the threads of the bar (and used scissors to make clean cuts to avoid fraying of the tape upon removal of the bar) and sure enough... no more noise, the bar stays put (but is still easy to move out of the way) and it is super responsive (instead of having to travel a millimeter in either direction and making a nasty cluck before doing anything to the pitch).
 
Whether the tape frays into the female threads when I remove remains to be seen but plumber's tape, unless packed ultra tight, tends to remain intact. Even if it does fray it is a) not really a big deal because it won't hurt anything and b) could be coaxed out with some kind of thin wire brush (kind of like a wire Q-Tip).
 
Point is... it worked so thought some of you may find it useful.
 
Do NOT use any kind of sticky tape. If you do not know what plumber's/teflon* tape is make sure you know what the heck I'm referring to before you totally gunk up your guitar. You can get it in any hardware store in the plumbing section. Get a roll that is flattened out on a spool. Not some bunched up crap you got with a showerhead or other fixture because you'll want to wrap it around the threads pf the bar flat and evenly. Not all bunched up.
 
Cheers.
 
*Edited: because I typed graphite instead of teflon. Derp.
2015/04/07 14:55:53
batsbrew
i've used plumbers tape to tighten up my trem bars since.........1980.
LOL
 
 
it works!
 
2015/04/07 14:59:43
Beepster
Right on, Bats. Probably a pretty obvious fix but it worked so well I thought I'd post it.
 
Cheers.
2015/04/07 15:24:34
mettelus
Teflon tape is awesome stuff! I actually tapped out the bar insert and threw my original bar away for the same reason (was not recoverable from the previous owner). Replaced the bar with a 1/4" steel rod bent to taste (but rarely used).

The friction part can be mitigated by using a pencil (graphite) on the nut and lubricating hinge pins (if you have the desire to pull the tremelo apart). My hinge pins tapped out pretty easily so I just steel wooled the pins and put axle grease on them (25 years ago). Never degrades... Beware of things like WD-40, as when that dries it becomes sticky. Graphite based lubricants work well for this too.
2015/04/07 15:51:41
paulo
The technical name for it is polytetrafluoroethylene or PTFE for short.
 
Known here as Plumbers Tape For Emergencies.
 
 
 
2015/04/09 09:44:30
Grem
Great tip Beeps. Never thought of using that on my guitars.
2015/04/10 17:04:34
Joe Connor [Cakewalk]
This has been the easiest, cheapest solution I've found for tightening up a noisy trem, or just one that doesn't want to stay in place! I always keep a roll of plumbers tape in my gig bags. Great tip!
2015/04/12 11:00:01
joakes
Great tip.

Been using teflon tape for years. Always a roll in each gig bag.

Cheers,
Jerry
2015/04/12 20:47:47
tlw
Yep, PTFE tape works wonders on trem bars.
 
As for trem tuning issues I have a Fender Mexican Strat that holds tuning as well as my Teles or Gibsons even with a completely floating tremelo that rests with the back edge of the bridge 3/16" off the body to allow a semitone up-bend.
 
How? A graphtec nut cut correctly and a Hipshot "tremsetter" fitted in the cavity along with two normal springs is how. Put a little lubricant in the nut slots and on the saddles and string trees, loosen the central four bridge screws a bit and there you go. It's also got a snappier response than the usual floating trem setups, much more like a fixed bridge to play.
 
Fender/FR-style trems can be kept in tune, it just takes a bit of work and a bit of money.
 
I admit I much prefer hard-tails though. Bending a string on a trem-equipped guitar takes more effort because as I push the string the **** trem rises and keeps slackening everything off :-/. Breaking a string mid-song isn't fun either as the guitar suddenly goes sharp on the five remaining strings. Surf-style guitar just isn't quite the same without the trem though. Unless you're Dick Dale of course, but he's weird :-)
2015/04/12 22:03:53
mixmkr
I have several guitars with SuperVee whammy systems, and they work pretty good...even for total abusive stuff.  They have since come out with a screw that tightens against the bar, to give it friction.  I've used the Teflon tape too, but that is short lived, especially if you have to take the bar off to put your guitar in your case.  I've cut up rubber bands and shoved them in the hole, and that actually seems to work quite well.  Don't ever really expect to easily get them out again, but you don't really need to either.

Check out the SuperVee stuff.  Trumps a Floyd imo.  Drop in replacement for a Strat too.
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