I got a message this AM that I need to update JAVA, it normally goes without a hitch. I just refuse ASK toolbar or whatever goofy ware that they ask if  Iwant to install, then I update. This time it said that it couldn't install with my current browser configuration. I went to the uninstall older versions tool and it recommended that I first install the latest version. I downloaded it and installed, it took twice to get it done. Then I get a grey box with the uninstall applet. It says that it is from Oracle and Norton says it is OK. BUT it says that "This application will run with unrestricted access which may put your computer and personal information at risk. Run this application only if you trust the location and publisher above. I cannot copy the certificate and have no idea what all the gibberish means but it is issued by Verisign. Fankly I don't really trust anything on the internet but is this nothing to worry about?
Thanks...
Juien
 

Well, I ran it. It ran quickly and told me that I have no earlier versions of JAVA on my computer, ony the latest... so I guess I am totally unsecured.... things like this make me nervous. I guess it is OK.
 
J

Don't worry Julien, Big Brother will tell you what you're supposed to be thinking.
 

 
(I also got an update request, but I closed it without doing anything.)

craigb
Don't worry Julien, Big Brother will tell you what you're supposed to be thinking.
 

 
(I also got an update request, but I closed it without doing anything.)

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J

jbow
I apologize it this steps over the TOS line re: politics. I don't mean it as political but as how things are going in America. I will not be responding to this, it is just how things are with me. Oh, I'm not going to that website either. Not signing up...
My insurance wants me to die... in about 6mos I will be on medicare and I KNOW they will want me to die but I ain't going to do it. I am going to live and make life miserable for someone...
 
J

It's kinda going to the ... dogs ... though that would not be fair to Beagle!
 
All in all, it's all going back to the socialistic/fascistic version of people control, and the government does it for you, because all of us are not smart enough to get someone out of the office when it matters, and we always tend to forget the whole thing after a drink and a lay! And not do anything about it, after the fact!
 
Haven't you heard? Red tape is back!
 
It's not even any kind of a BAPU invention to blame Gibson or Beagle about! Ot even worse ... make a CHB song about it, under the disguise of some green fart cat!

 Ya, the new java update is a step backwards. I need to uninstall a computer at work because the new "update" won't work. I think there should be progress but this isn't it.
 
  
 
 

BUT it says that "This application will run with unrestricted access which may put your computer and personal information at risk. Run this application only if you trust the location and publisher above.
 
That above is a Windows OS message and it can be forgotten about usually. In other words, if you have User Account Control Settings turned all the way down (off) then you will not get those messages every time a program tries to install its self. Unless you really untrust the website or program you are installing then it is just another dumb message from the OS because you must not know anything, and the OS is smarter than you (if you really believe that - Microsoft will tell you anything with the OS if you want it to !).
 

JAVA has had a lot of security issues recently, and they are attempting to mitigate the risk somewhat. Some people are just not running JAVA at all because of concerns about security. JAVA runs scripts (programs) on your computer. Some of those scripts can be malware.
The message you are receiving ins NOT a Windows message. It is a JAVA message.
 
http://www.java.com/en/download/help/appsecuritydialogs.xml

It is a Windows OS message about an un-signed application trying to install on your computer. RME has drivers that are not signed by Microsoft, so they always get that message.
And those RME drivers are perfectly safe!
 
"Why don't I see the option to select Do not show this again for this app in the security dialog for an unsigned application?
Starting with Java 7 Update 40, the option to select Do not show this again for this app is no longer available. Unlike previous versions a user cannot suppress the security dialog for an unsigned application and will have to select the option, I accept the risk and want to run this app, each time to run the unsigned application.

http://www.java.com/en/do.load/faq/signed_code.xml "


That is the difference between unsigned applications and signed applications, but not all the time is any application always going to be signed because like WHQL video drivers, not all of them are that way either with beta drivers Nvidia or AMD Radeon may give out.
 
Nothing wrong with the application if you know where it came from and no risk in installing it, if your anti-virus finds nothing wrong with the file after or during downloading it.
 
And running JAVA programs on your computer is up to you as to the risk set in the Security section of your Browser you use. That is always up to you and you set the Options in the Browser you use.
 
The only difference is that the JAVA program is downloaded through your Browser and the Browser setting applies to it, unlike a regular un-signed application which is not downloaded through the Browser but by a Server made to download the program.
 
 
But updating JAVA to use in your Browser is a regular normal application like any program to install on your computer, but after the install - running a Java program that is a Browser Java program is through the Browser. Updating Java is not going to do anything except like a fix a security issue much like all the Windows Update Programs - now what - 250 total about since Windows 7 came out.
 
 And Javescript is not a Java program it is a browser type language extension that can be used to add things to a web page, while a regular Java program like a Java game at a website is a Java program and is not Javascript.
 
http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/55104/why-isnt-java-more-widely-used-for-game-development
 
And believe me Javascript is not the Java programming language! I know that for sure having taken Java Programming.
And the only one is usually used is the Java programming language from Sun, the same people who download the updates for your computer, but programming is all together different than running JAVASCRIPT in a Java Virtual Runtime Environment. And Browser usually have the Java Runtime Environment for javascript, not the real java programming language which would become an actual program.
 
 If you ever run into a Java program that wants to install on your computer, you will get a pop-up windows stating that it is a Java program, and then you must decide if it is going to run a-muck or not on your computer should you install it.
On the other hand Javascript runs in a Java Runtime Virtual Environment in your Browser with no message depending on how you have Java runtime set up on your computer or not. The two are not the same. I doubt if you ever ran across a website that wanted to install a java program anyway. I have only a couple of times but still your anti-virus will not help you there, so like always, if you are not sure then why would you install a program you do not trust on your computer?
 
Javascript is not the same thing as a Java program.
 
And after all the babbling about it:
http://java.com/en/download/help/javascript_applet.xml
 
and remember there is a difference between javascript and a java program applet.