am in the middle of recording the piano (call it the paino) part of Adele's "someone like you", and its take 15 and counting!
 
MIDI.. gotta love it.

Mystic38
am in the middle of recording the piano (call it the paino) part of Adele's "someone like you", and its take 15 and counting!
 
MIDI.. gotta love it.

Aye, it's wonderful stuff!
 
Sometimes I'll play a whole part on one note just to get the timing and dynamics right then just slide to the correct notes via scale snap to get a melody down.
 
Don't tell anyone though...

I thought I was the only one who did that JB

I want better MIDI tempo mapping tools. It seems like the final frontier for DAW.
 
Some days I use my all powerful DAW like it's a time code tape deck because mapping the tempo to free play reveals the many ways you can end up with "tempo out of bounds" dialogs.
 
Other days I use my all powerful DAW like it is a doctor rhythm drum machine circa 1983.
 
I'd really enjoy getting to easily place a MBT grid on a free play performance with out all the hassles I associate with the attempts I have made for the past 20 years. Getting to do that without having to be a ninja that can outsmart the DAW would really be a treat.
 
That way I could feel like I am not missing out on the potential of DAW while I am being hospitable to people who don't play their music on a grid.
 
best regards,
mike

mike_mccue
I want better MIDI tempo mapping tools. It seems like the final frontier for DAW.
 
Some days I use my all powerful DAW like it's a time code tape deck because mapping the tempo to free play reveals the many ways you can end up with "tempo out of bounds" dialogs.
 
Other days I use my all powerful DAW like it is a doctor rhythm drum machine circa 1983.
 
I'd really enjoy getting to easily place a MBT grid on a free play performance with out all the hassles I associate with the attempts I have made for the past 20 years. Getting to do that without having to be a ninja that can outsmart the DAW would really be a treat.
 
That way I could feel like I am not missing out on the potential of DAW while I am being hospitable to people who don't play their music on a grid.
 
best regards,
mike

Midi will always land exactly where you put it, I'm not sure if I get what you problem here is at all.
 
Much of my final editing I don't do in Sonar though and I've got used to being able to stretch or shrink midi clips independently of the DAW's tempo and even being able to automate the project tempo and have the audio AND midi stay in sync with each other whilst doing so.
 
I'm sure this can all be done in Sonar too.

I often times try to lay a tempo map over a free play performance. A guitar or a piano or a drum set for example.
 
I don't want to change the tempo of the original performance, I want to set the grid on top of the performance so that I may use MIDI freely to add other sounds using all the conveniences of MIDI on a grid.
 
In my experience the existing tools like "Set Measure Beat to Now" etc. act capriciously and often times what seems like a normal expectation results in warning dialogs that suggest you have just buggared up your tempo map.
 
I think it will be great when someone finally digs in to those functions and makes them as brainless and painless and they have a potential to be.
 
I try to start at the beginning and work along along the timeline as that seems to get the best results but often times it seems like it would be helpful to start at the last beat and then work on the starts of verses and choruse and then work your way in to the details... but that is a guaranteed way to end up with a warning dialog.
 
It seems like some behind the scenes investigation regarding why the calculations are "out of bounds" would be easy and has probably already been done years ago. It seems like implementing solutions for the frequent "out of bounds" warnings have never been implemented.
 
When I speak with some of my full time studio friends about this they tell me that they just use markers and ignore the MBT grid. Then they mention that they abandoned thinking in terms of MIDI even if the source instruments are MIDI... they just capture performances as if all instruments are, well, instruments. I ask them about this in hope of learning a better way to do it and they just shrug it off as a non issue because by and large they work with players that aren't asking for the ability to edit on a grid.
 
The players I work with could benefit from an ability, on my part, to quickly add extra midi based parts on a grid... because they don't have access to extra instrumentalists and their performance fees. I don't have the chops to play a Kontakt horn section free play on a keyboard but I can write up a part that will work. That's when having a grid sitting on top of a free play track could be a huge benefit and really put some power in to the DAW. It would let me help people.
 
I continue to work on laying grids out using the tools as they exist but it is frustrating, slow, painful, and rarely works as I'd hope.
 
I am still eager to integrate and utilize the best of grid based soft synth and sampler technology with free play acoustic music but it seems like a constant struggle and it seems as if the tools to make it happen have simply never had the extra dev time to make it as easy as it seems like it should be.
 
I get the impression that the latest Cubase version has some enhanced tools for this. I also recall that in the past that our forum user dmbaer mentioned he was developing a free standing tool for this purpose.
 
I'd sure like it to become super easy to snap a grid onto a free played performance so I could enjoy the best of both worlds and be able to consider it all just one happy way to manage projects.
 
It would make a DAW seem up to date.
 
I hope some of that makes sense.
 
all the best,
mike
 
 
 

Hi,
 
Love that Mike.
 
Nice to hear some folks actually say that they are more interested in the instruments than they are in the midi, or in the time, or whatever. And I keep thinking that is what music has been all about ... I kinda would like to see The Firebird Suite on a Daw ... seems like it would be a joke and all these DAW's would probably get a D- for a grade.
 
Too much of a DAW is set for rock'n'roll only in my book, so to speak, and they are not listening to the music itself when they are working it. It's not the beat that makes it big and famous ... it's the "personna" behind it!
 
That's how I look at it.
 
Wasn't midi, supposed to simply be a communication link and not necessarily a part of the "instrumentation?"

If the polyphonic pickup for guitars and the midi processing wasn't so sloppy
and somebody besides Drums On Demand would offer great selections of
.wav drum parts I could easily erase midi editing issues in my world.
Editing .wav files can be tricky but I'd rather deal with them than midi.
 
I was excited about midi guitar ( a long time ago) but now it's just crap I have
to deal with, or do without due to limitations of controlling the signal with a guitar.
 
My point of view is strickly as a (midi) guitarist. I do have a midi keyboard and have used it- just
didn't enjoy it although I did have a different opinion of midi issues when using it- mainly because
I try to use midi to capture a performance NOT piece together one.
 
And now the tools seem to be harder to use since I don't use them enough to remember
how to do every little thing.
 
 
 
 
 

Well.. total was 20 takes...
 
At least I can get the damn piano off the desk now.. I gets grumpy when I canna grab my coffee quick

spacey
If the polyphonic pickup for guitars and the midi processing wasn't so sloppy
and somebody besides Drums On Demand would offer great selections of
.wav drum parts I could easily erase midi editing issues in my world.
Editing .wav files can be tricky but I'd rather deal with them than midi.
 
I was excited about midi guitar ( a long time ago) but now it's just crap I have
to deal with, or do without due to limitations of controlling the signal with a guitar.
...
And now the tools seem to be harder to use since I don't use them enough to remember
how to do every little thing.
...

This is my naive thought on this ... too many of these programs were put together by geeks that want to do music. This was not designed by musicians to help them with their music, since musicians are considered to be good enough to do that!
 
But the software has gotten so much better, that some of these geeks think they can do a guitar better than you can play it ... and you know that's what some of these tools are trying to do ... give you something you can not get, or find!
 
Will midi get better? I think it will go away as not needed soon enough imbedded in other works and software. It's already wasted, when you go to the music store in your local town ask for someone that knows midi and keyboards and no one knows anything! ... and that is a sure sign, that it will have to die ... no one to nurture it or bother with it!