THE MERE FACT THERE IS SILENCE NY ANY WOMENS GROUP or WOMAN/WOMEN MR DISCIPLE other than Sinead is proof
 
show me a link to where there was outrage your quick search I don't see high profile statements in the"main stream " media, maybe I don't have the proper mainstream???
 
BTW apparently you ASSUME I listen to Rush, I don't, and when you assume, well you know..
 
and you cannot see the implications of her actions,  not that is it just one adult woman who calls her shots just dancing sexually, its the desensitization to objectivity.
 
 
Mr Dub at the days end not one thing I say will sway your side, nor your epitomes sway those who find fault and pity for her.
 
The same "rights" she has to debase herself like that on national TV also gives you and I the opportunity to discourse about this and others.

It is actually you that are assuming.  I have no clue as to whether you listen to Rush.  That link just popped up when I did a quick search.  I think Rush does qualify as mainstream media being that like him or loathe him, he's a household name and the links he provided were his accusations of mainstream feminist outlets, but if you really want to play that game, who do you consider "mainstream media"?  There's tons of stuff about Miley on Huffington post almost daily.
 

THE MERE FACT THERE IS SILENCE NY ANY WOMENS GROUP or WOMAN/WOMEN MR DISCIPLE other than Sinead is proof

It's proof that you use a lot of selective reasoning.   By the logic you displayed here, the fact that you have not spoken out on eating babies today is "proof" that you support it.  It is absurd and impossible to expect any group or person to speak out on every single issue.  Again, being that you are not "the feminist movement", it is odd that you feel that you should eb the one who determines which particular issue they should find worthy of releasing statements.
 
I have no animosity towards you, and I agree that nothing will likely sway either of us.  I just find the sky is falling routine much ado about nothing. Again, i pose the question of whether or sensitivity to objectivity was any greater when we legally burned teens as witches or placed American citizens in concentration camps for merely being of Asian descent? I have zero worry about Miley influencing anyone because any kid that is likely to be "desensitized" or whatever by Miley has a much bigger problem than Miley; sucky parents. My kids laugh at Miley's antics much in the same way I laughed at Madonna's antics.  The kids likely to act like her were probably "twerking" long before Miley came along and would have if she never existed.  There is much in this world I find twisted, disturbing and just plain stupid, but i find it much more effective to instill values and education into my own children than shouting doom and gloom about people I can't control.  Miley and her handlers want this.  Sinead wants this. Sinead crashed her one-hit wonder career instantly and is jumping on a chance to exploit a situation to get attention.  If she really wanted to help Miley she could have contacted her personally. As long as people are discussing this on both sides of the fence, they both win. 
 
Anyway, I do get that her antics offend you and I am not trying to be insulting towards you.  I just find Miley to be among the absolute least of my concerns and have zero fear she will effect my children because I know the relationship I have with them and what I have taught them.  In fact, they have already figured out her behavior is crafty marketing to push your buttons and create buzz.  It's no coincidence that a polished MTV show with all the footage from her antics is airing now. If kids can see it and shrug it off as "her music dancing sucks", then I think I will go back to worrying about compressors and eqs.

Not sure how much I'm back-tracking from anything I posted earlier, but I actually watched the Wrecking Ball video.  The whole thing left me totally unaffected, I just thought it was crass - a bit weak, not especially shocking, not especially well done, just a bit pathetic really.
 
Girl's got a good voice, sad that she thinks the only way to get ahead is via desperate attempts to shock.  She's probably right thought - that's even more sad.
 
Ironically, as I type this I'm watching a TV program on the Sex Pistols (childhood heroes) and they just cut to one of the "older generation" describing them as "nauseating, disgusting and deserving of a quick death".

The mimes don't seem to be talking either...

The wrecking ball video did not meet my expectations. 

backwoods
The wrecking ball video did not meet my expectations. 

maybe this will make up for it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0Og4LaB1Zc

musicman100
THE MERE FACT THERE IS SILENCE NY ANY WOMENS GROUP or WOMAN/WOMEN MR DISCIPLE other than Sinead is proof
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I think that we're a bunch of deloused-louses when we need proof for everything, and even then, we won't believe it.
 
Putting Sinead down, is as bad as appreciating what Miley did, when Sinead is trying to say in her own words, exactly what we are saying. That we don't like it. But we will castigate her because she has given "men", and their vindictive nature a big finger in the sky, and some of us take offense at that finger and think that she's just being a jerk saying that all men are trash. She says, more, that the music business has trash!
 
And that some of that trash has no ethics or standards except greed, money and how many women, or butts (as was the case in the 80's in Santa Barbara!), they can score!
 
There is nothing that any "feminist" can say here, or needs to say, not to mention that the media would NEVER play it or show it ... so Rush L's comment is a bit out of line! And he's merely getting his own free shots at something like this, by putting someone/something down, when the graces give him the blessing!
 
All it is showing is the hippocrisy behind it all ... and some of us do not want to hear Sinead say it, any more than Mosh or Bapu.
 
I remember a show I saw in Eugene about 10 years ago ... that was put together by a whole bunch of ladies, and they all performed. As I was walking in to the show, someone joked ... you gonna watch the show by all the lezzies? And I said, inadvertantly ... at least they have music. You don't!

dubdisciple
I have no idea why people get so bent out of shape about celebrity behavior. So what if Miley dances sexually and portrays a party girl image. As if that is new or original in any way. Older people claiming morals are decling seem to have very selective memories and perspectives on history. Younger people have traditionally outraged the previous generation and that trend will likely continue forever but how do you objectively measure if things are better or worse? Where is this imaginary time when people were alledgedly better? The biggest difference seems to be that technology gives us more exposure to the generational cultural norms. Were we really more moral when it was ok to own humans? Were we really more moral when it was perfectly oegal to rape your wife? There are bright spots and ugly aspects of every decade of history. Take the 50'S for instance. Is Molly shaking her rear suggestively with her tongue out morally worse than people not allowed to eat at the same counter due to skin color? I know it's apples and oranges but moral high horses tend to work in that way. We rationalize immorality from the past and demonize what others do. In the end Miley is hurting nobody except possibly herself and even that is debatable. I'm a parent and my kids just shake their hads and laugh her antics off as typical celebrity shenanigans with no affect on their lives.. As for sinead, pot meet kettle. Miley does not force us to watch and she does not show up as Hannah Montana at kindergarten parties only to chang e into lingerie. Sinead agreed to be on a show and intentionally hijacked it for the sole purpose of insulting someone and potebtially millions. She has no moral high ground.

Good one. My sense is that Miley knows what she's doing, and Sinead knows what she's doing...and the wheels go round and round.

SGodfrey
Hi Danny,
 
It's good to be able to discuss this sort of thing in an open and respectful way - I thank you for that.  I have to say I agree with most of what you say, but there's just one thing I want to raise and that's that there's quite a few guys here who are clearly great fathers or father-figures like yourself and Guitarhacker and in that environment it's not so much of a problem that the kid see's the over-sexualised material from MTV et al, because the parents are making sure that the kids keep things in perspective.  It's not the kids being looked after by guys like you I worry about but the one's from less functional families and let's face it, there's a lot of them.  Those are the one's that are easily influenced and they don't have the guidance from good parents that they should; for them it's not so clear what's right and wrong.  It's easy for a kid like that to go out, get high, get laid and never think about the consequences.  This is the world Miley is feeding into and like I say, I don't think it's something she's remotely considered it, which is sad.

 
Hi SG,
 
My feelings exactly.....nothing wrong with talking about this like civilized human beings. At the end of the day, each person can see things differently and really, they wouldn't be wrong unless they come on with a dictator-like commanding attitude. I also thank you for being so cool about it. :)
 
Yeah, I can see where you're coming from totally. But if we take Miley out of the scheme completely, we have more stuff going on in TV land that to me, can be more influential in a bad way. The net is the worst unless we totally lock up the options. For pete sake, youporn.com is so easy to get to....so many forms of corruption....this is why I spoke of myself, SG.
 
I live in a place where it's like turning on the TV. I have dabbled in bad stuff....but was aware at all times and never pushed the envelope. I'm sure all of us have stories where we felt a little out of our element and went to a place we shouldn't have, right? I can't expect my kids (if I have any ever lol) or anyone else's to NOT go down that road. Those experiences (as long as we're fairly focused) make us who and what we are. My experiences showed me the world. Some of them put the fear of God into me, some of them could be "controlled and enjoyed" others did nothing for me. But the experiences helped me and allowed me to investigate the good and the bad of life.
 
We can never shelter our kids from everything. But this is where I think parenting can really help. I had two of the best parents a child could ever want. I don't say that with any bias, I sincerely had incredible parents. My mom taught me all the clean ways of saying things. I wasn't allowed to say "I have to pee" I was taught to say "I have to wet". Or "I have to BM" or "move my bowels". When I'd come home and ask "what's this I gotta take a sh!t" talk or "what's a p***y" etc, my mom and dad would tell me the clean words for everything I asked. When I heard the F word, mom and dad talked to me. This was all done in 3rd grade, would you believe that? I kid you not.
 
So, though today's time may be worse, I'd say 3rd grade is a little early to be asking your mom and dad what a C U Next Tuesday is...but it happened. My point is, I was in the thick of sex, drugs and rock and roll from an early age. None of that influenced me to be a bad person other than the normal experimentation every person in this world experiences. We can't stop that from happening. But I knew that snorting Coke was wrong. I knew tha having unprotected sex would either give me a child or a diease for the rest of my life. I knew sex with numerous people would land me a bad name for ladies but a good name with the guys. A lot of this, I blame (in a good way) on my parents for instilling it all in me.
 
Though I feel for those that may not be as fortunate as I with incredible parents, if I could head-butt their parents into becoming real parents, I'd honestly risk brain damage to butt each one, one at a time. But at this time, I can't feel sorry for people as I once did because stupidity, carelessness and the lack of common courtesy and people being for themselves is at an all time high. This forces caring people like me to ignore or go into defensive mode because these people are so far gone, they don't have a conscious to begin with. The more we feel sorry for people and drop our guards, the more they prey on us because this is how they roll in 2013. With parents that care while instilling ethics, manners and self respect as well as respect to others at an early age, all this changes drastically in my opinion and the world as we know it changes also. We'll always have bad seeds no matter what, but the majority would have more of a chance with parental support and guidance.
 
Before I go....just for the record, as heavily as I am involved "in the business" I wouldn't have known about Miley's video if it weren't for this thread. I've listened to many of her songs and have done productions references for clients when I've had to, but I don't get too much into watching video's or learning about an artist these days. Proof that even when someone talks about another negatively, they have done nothing more than promote the artist they claim should be put in place. Like I said in my first post...."as long as they're talking about you, that's success!" ;)
 
-Danny