cclarry
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 It seems to me that "most" here in this forum, usually the younger guys, but not exclusively,
have a problem with anyone expressing a "point of view" opposite to theirs, and simply
cannot remain objective, or be courteous about it....
...

You, sir, have obviously not been told that the world is not a fairy tale, and that people in a (supposedly) public board, have to behave like they never would to their wives or kids.
 
It's become bizarre, weird and strange, that many of those comments are just like boys showing off their weewee size, and how good they are with software and what grand musicians they are copying everyone else!
 
I always like the comment ... dirt belongs under your feet! ... notice I didn't say the carpet!

Moshkiae

cclarry
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 It seems to me that "most" here in this forum, usually the younger guys, but not exclusively,
have a problem with anyone expressing a "point of view" opposite to theirs, and simply
cannot remain objective, or be courteous about it....
...

You, sir, have obviously not been told that the world is not a fairy tale, and that people in a (supposedly) public board, have to behave like they never would to their wives or kids.
 
It's become bizarre, weird and strange, that many of those comments are just like boys showing off their weewee size, and how good they are with software and what grand musicians they are copying everyone else!
 
I always like the comment ... dirt belongs under your feet! ... notice I didn't say the carpet!

Moshkiae, I couldn't agree more...

 
This might be contentious, but I'd be interested to see how many of you share my opinion that the most frequent offenders are those that loosely fall into the 'fanboy' category.
 
Obviously, there are exceptions, but in general, it seems to me that the guys with genuine problems - that they just want sorted - are usually the calmest and most rational posters. And what eventually provokes them out of this behaviour is often the completely irrational and confrontational views they are met with.
 
In any walk of life, we like to 'belong' to a group, to be one of the guys if you like, and it's human nature to stand up for your buddies - even when they're in the wrong. But to take those feelings and project them on a piece of software, and on the company that creates it, especially when the cold facts dictate on occasion that the fault lies with them, is just about as irrational as you can get.
 
Don't get me wrong, if somebody asked my opinion about Cakewalk and SONAR, I'd be happy to subjectively recommend their products and advocate the features they have to offer. But that would never prevent me from also objectively passing on any negative information I thought was relevant.
 
If you look at the abhorrent treatment that some of those with on-going legitimate and frustrating problems with SONAR have been subject to, it makes you wonder where the sycophantic motivation of some people comes from, other than an overwhelming desire, as I've alluded to above, to be seen to be on the 'winning team'.
 
 
 
 

SteveStrummerUK
 
This might be contentious, but I'd be interested to see how many of you share my opinion that the most frequent offenders are those that loosely fall into the 'fanboy' category.
 
Obviously, there are exceptions, but in general, it seems to me that the guys with genuine problems - that they just want sorted - are usually the calmest and most rational posters. And what eventually provokes them out of this behaviour is often the completely irrational and confrontational views they are met with.
 
In any walk of life, we like to 'belong' to a group, to be one of the guys if you like, and it's human nature to stand up for your buddies - even when they're in the wrong. But to take those feelings and project them on a piece of software, and on the company that creates it, especially when the cold facts dictate on occasion that the fault lies with them, is just about as irrational as you can get.
 
Don't get me wrong, if somebody asked my opinion about Cakewalk and SONAR, I'd be happy to subjectively recommend their products and advocate the features they have to offer. But that would never prevent me from also objectively passing on any negative information I thought was relevant.
 
If you look at the abhorrent treatment that some of those with on-going legitimate and frustrating problems with SONAR have been subject to, it makes you wonder where the sycophantic motivation of some people comes from, other than an overwhelming desire, as I've alluded to above, to be seen to be on the 'winning team'.
 
 
 
 

That is soo apparent upstairs that's it's ridiculous...and it's sad all the way around..
and it really does drive people, who would have excellent information to share, OUT
of the forum, and sometimes even to other software...

The "I have no problems, therefore your problems DON'T exist, and you're just a hater so shut
up" attitude is really bothersome...we should be looking, professionally and courteously, to help
our co-forum members make rational decisions...not belittle them with sarcasm and slander.
Granted, there are the ones who are only out to "discredit", but, as I stated, if the product
is strong enough on it's own...anything they have to say will be "null and voided" and the
mods should have no fear of that whatsoever...

Great post and observations Straummy....well said..

cclarry

That is soo apparent upstairs that's it's ridiculous...and it's sad all the way around..
and it really does drive people, who would have excellent information to share, OUT
of the forum, and sometimes even to other software...

The classic example of this happened with Bub.
 
He'd suffered genuine and well-documented problems with the software, and was never anything more than completely polite and rational in trying to get these difficulties resolved.
 
Yes, he stood up for himself on occasion, but only after some persistent and severe provocation.
 
He got banned for some contravention of the TOS agreement, in circumstances that, in my opinion, others have got clean away with, and on numerous occasions.
 
Eventually, he got a permanent ban for the alleged crime of advocating a rival DAW to other forum members in a Private Message. He assures me, and I've no reason to disbelieve him, that although he'd mentioned how other DAWs performed in comparison to SONAR, he certainly wasn't deliberately bad-mouthing Cakewalk in order to convince others to stop using SONAR. I'm pretty certain, again, that others have said a lot worse about Cakewalk in open forum and not even been warned.
 
I'm guessing that the Cakewalk Mods don't have access to our PMs, so what makes the circumstances surrounding this even worse in my opinion, is that someone he was actually trying to help reported him for this perceived crime.
 
Even now, on another DAW's forum, Bub still continues to talk about Cakewalk less in a negative and disparaging manner, but from a position of regret that he never managed to get the software he obviously loved, and invested a lot of cash in, working properly.
 
 

 
Sorry about the accidental self-'helpful' thing ^^^^^^ I intended to copy my post's address..

I think there are a some folks that exist in a state of irony and hypocrisy.
 
I think that examples can be found at any point along the spectrum from ardent admirer through severe critic of Cakewalk's products or operation.
 
best regards,
mike

I agree Straum...

Bub was a good guy....had no problems with him, and he was always cordial and 
courteous, unless "driven" into the corner...
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McQ ...you're right on the money...they thrive on it and can't live without it...

alexoosthoek
 
Don't behave on the forums any different as in real life ................
 

Maybe they're not. Some people are dickheads in the real world.

cclarry
I agree Straum...

Bub was a good guy....had no problems with him, and he was always cordial and 
courteous, unless "driven" into the corner...

I don't want to speak ill of the departed, so to speak, but to be honest he came across quite obnoxious sometimes and just before his ban also seemed a little paranoid about Cakewalks attempts to mess him up for having the nerve to be an unhappy customer. Maybe I just mis-interpreted, as is easy to do when communicating in this manner, but if I saw it that way, then maybe CW did too ?
 
I do agree that those who posture about hypocrisy and such and constantly try to assume the moral high ground are often the worst offenders when it comes to plain and simply setting out to cause trouble. I have a relative like that. It's often been said by other family members that she could start a fight in an empty room.