2013/08/17 18:34:58
cclarry
Thought this guy did a nice job of explaining this so thought I would repost it here..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC3tvdoVZb8

You can get the Dynamic Range Meter he uses in the video here for free..

http://www.pleasurizemusic.com/es/es/download#menu

for the novice (and seasoned Pro alike) this is good information so thought I would share...
2013/08/17 18:43:27
John
Sonar can show peak and RMS at the same time. 
2013/08/18 17:20:08
bapu
And it has mixing and mastering tools too
(so my little pea brain has been told)
 
Why is it not the industry standard?
 
2013/08/18 18:42:16
cclarry
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bapu
 
Why is it not the industry standard?
 




 
2013/08/18 19:10:48
ltb
I still use the Offline to check files & folders. IIRC developed by Brainworx.
2013/08/18 19:12:30
ohgrant
Is that a beaver pelt on his head? Good info though....
2013/08/18 20:06:16
drewfx1
cclarry
Thought this guy did a nice job of explaining this so thought I would repost it here..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC3tvdoVZb8

You can get the Dynamic Range Meter he uses in the video here for free..

http://www.pleasurizemusic.com/es/es/download#menu

for the novice (and seasoned Pro alike) this is good information so thought I would share...


 
Some of it is a little bit dubious - for instance I would argue that the supposed "sweet spot" for 24bit converters is realistically "anywhere you aren't clipping", but he seems to be implying that a simple calibration level is somehow sonically significant for some unknown reason (or does ProTools not have any trim controls?). And the zero spot on a fader doesn't necessarily indicate the dbFS value for a very good reason - because it indicates the amount of gain change you are applying (because that's what a fader does).


It sounds to me like a case where someone is trying to imply that there are technical advantages for doing something in a consistent and predictable way when there really aren't any. This only muddies the water and invites unnecessary criticism and technical debate - unnecessary because doing something in a consistent and predictable way is reason enough and doesn't need the dubious technical arguments. IOW, it's sometimes useful to do things in a particular way for practical workflow advantages not technical ones.
2013/08/18 20:54:39
Jeff Evans
I have explained all this many times and well before this guy with the K System posts I have done. -18 is a good ref for sure but I can see why -20 is actually better. It is aligned to the film score reference of -20 and also you get 20 db of peak headroom which is 2 db better then -18 dB. And if you are making -20 dB equal to 85 dB SPL in the room then the music can get as loud as 105dB. Fun.
 
Also I like the K system approach of 3 ref levels. And -14 is great too. Because you can recalibrate your system and just be creating a louder rms wave the whole time from the start tracking right through to final mix. 3 Ref levels are better than one. When you work at -14 you are already pretty loud rms wise and you have less to add in mastering to achieve a very loud master later. -12 is also an interesting level to work at too.
 
RMS meters in standard DAW's are not so good because they are indicating something low on a scale.  A dB or two variation is not easily seen. On a VU at the 0 dB mark such a small deviation is clearly visible. You need a VU meter that is hitting 0dB Vu when the ref level is being played back. And better still a VU that matches the ballistics of a real one. There is so much information contained in how the VU moves around.
 
I have got my computer monitor sitting directly on top of my hardware VU meter display. I can put the VST's at the bottom of the screen and see all of them at once.
 
The Klanghelm meters are still a winner for me. The Klanghelm meters rise and fall the same way the real ones do.
http://www.klanghelm.com/VUMT.html
 
PSP has released a nice looking VU meter VST.
http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/tools_and_meters/psp_2meters/
 
The PSP rises the same but does not fall quite the same as the real meter. I have spent some time trying to get them to match. I may need to spend some more time to fine tune.
 
They can all be calibrated for any ref level and there are many parameters you can tweak which effect how they behave and move.
2013/08/18 23:32:56
The Band19
Probably best in the techniques forum? It's best to pick a song that you like (the mix and the dynamics) and then try to emulate it.
2013/08/19 12:28:26
Guitarpima
That guy comes off as an arrogant prick. He knows what he's talking about but even so, he needs to get over himself.
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