2017/11/21 22:38:26
AT
As Bapu points out, anyone who thought they'd be getting free updates in 5-10 years was whistling up a Dixie tree for a free lunch.  Fruity Loops made one-time purchases work for about 5 years, but I have the feeling it was a much lower-cost operation than Cake, which has a real staff.  I thought that would last a little longer.
 
I dont' think Gibson was scamming us (except the Momentum thing - which means they have to keep a server open for that for a year).  I think Gibson made a go of it and had some "consultants" say if you buy SONAR and we do this promotion we think we can sell X units and pay back Roland and then on to Moscow and conquer the DAW world.  Well, it didn't work and Gibson has made a few other mistakes like that  so has no cash to fall back on.  But simply shut down a product?
 
I can't see them (or anyone) letting Cake just die - it still has value.  Just looking at the forums there are plenty of people that would buy or upgrade SONAR, and the forumites are a small percentage of buyers, and a small percentage of current users.  There are hundreds and thousands of users able and willing to shell out $100-or more a year.  That is a lot of cash to leave on the table.  Not enough to staff a full company, but enough  for a couple of developers.
 
As for the rest - I upgraded Vegas through Majix.  Now it doesn't work, but Vegas 7 works fine on my win 7 (along w/ SONAR).  So it ain't the end of the world.  Not great news, but you are good to go for the next few years w/ SONAR, tho I wouldn't open a studio using it after today.
2017/11/21 22:38:26
AT
As Bapu points out, anyone who thought they'd be getting free updates in 5-10 years was whistling up a Dixie tree for a free lunch.  Fruity Loops made one-time purchases work for about 5 years, but I have the feeling it was a much lower-cost operation than Cake, which has a real staff.  I thought that would last a little longer.
 
I dont' think Gibson was scamming us (except the Momentum thing - which means they have to keep a server open for that for a year).  I think Gibson made a go of it and had some "consultants" say if you buy SONAR and we do this promotion we think we can sell X units and pay back Roland and then on to Moscow and conquer the DAW world.  Well, it didn't work and Gibson has made a few other mistakes like that  so has no cash to fall back on.  But simply shut down a product?
 
I can't see them (or anyone) letting Cake just die - it still has value.  Just looking at the forums there are plenty of people that would buy or upgrade SONAR, and the forumites are a small percentage of buyers, and a small percentage of current users.  There are hundreds and thousands of users able and willing to shell out $100-or more a year.  That is a lot of cash to leave on the table.  Not enough to staff a full company, but enough  for a couple of developers.
 
As for the rest - I upgraded Vegas through Majix.  Now it doesn't work, but Vegas 7 works fine on my win 7 (along w/ SONAR).  So it ain't the end of the world.  Not great news, but you are good to go for the next few years w/ SONAR, tho I wouldn't open a studio using it after today.
2017/11/21 22:40:02
AT
What is with the double posts?  Is anyone else having mouse problems since the last Win 10 upgrade?
2017/11/21 22:49:59
bapu
AT,
 
I believe the multiple post thing has to do with server load. It happens when you click the post button and it seems to "hang" and you click the post button again.
 
Some have learned how to pad post count by taking advantage of that by clicking 8-10-12 times.
 
Not that post count will matter when the forum is shu..
 
 
2017/11/22 04:54:37
craigb
bapu
Some have learned how to pad post count by taking advantage of that by clicking 8-10-12 times.
 



Wait... 8 minus 10 minus 12 is -14!  Are you using Gibson's profit math here??? 
2017/11/22 05:02:48
Linear Phase
Randy P
The reality is the music business has changed dramatically in the last 20 years. The only people making money that aren't performers are streaming services.



 
Such few performers are making money.  Its not like the 60s, 70s, or 80s where so many acts could build followings and have careers.  
 
The whole thing is a mess
2017/11/22 05:16:21
Audioicon
FCCfirstclass
The mods said that all the servers would continue to operate.  I hope that is true!


That is not what the mod said:

The mod stated Gibson is working very hard to sell of the servers piece by piece as part of the Gibson dedicated mission of acquired and destroy.


2017/11/22 08:07:34
Grem
Randy P
 
The sentence regarding "a team during the transition". That's lawyer speak for "we are shutting this whole thing down in the near future". I take that to mean all online support for the product, including this forum will be cease to exist in the near future.  I would imagine that Gibson has put out feelers to likely interested parties and found no takers prior to today's announcement.
 
It will be interesting to see how this unfolds, but if were to bet on it, this will all be a fond memory sooner rather than later.
 




You nailed it right there.
2017/11/22 13:56:23
Thedoccal
I know who is behind this treachery:  Glennbo
 
Relpo Miraculous
2017/11/22 19:07:09
kson
Wow.  This actually saddens me. 
 
While not my primary daw, I do still use Sonar and have been for a mighty long time.  It, IMHO, is the finest looking daw out there.  On the positive side, there are plenty of options to keep you going for years and when/if it falters, I'm sure the third paryt plugins in their VST3 format(s) will pick up the slack.
 
I didn't really buy into the monthly updates although I did purchase the "lifetime" of updates.  After a while it just seemed like it was too much work to try to be innovative on a monthly basis.
 
Welp...Carry on my Wayward Son. 
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