Glyn Barnes


Well Cubase 7 contains LE software - except they call call it SE

HALion Sonic SE

HALion Sonic SE is a streamlined version of HALion Sonic, Steinberg’s premier VST workstation

They also use third parties, Voxengo for one (That's not a bad thing IMHO)


I can see where you are coming from but don't full understand you logic.

 
Oh crap!
 
When I purchased Sonar 7 five years ago it came with Dimension LE. I upgraded to Pro and couple of months later Sonar 8 was released with Dimension Pro. Nice timing. No mercy...
 
But I think it's weird that first they had this deal with NI and now they have this thing with Overloud. What next? Some other developer, maybe? I think it's best to let the customers decide what third party LE plugins/software they want to install - and yes, it's good if there is an option to install or not to install them (didn't know that).
 
This current marketing tactic is not working for me, obviously.

For me, I was going to jump to Presonus Studio One when the new X version of Sonar came out.  Can't remember exactly when it was, but the reasoning was that the version I just put my hard-earned money down on was buggy and was not even able to be used.


But, I tried it and came back because Sonar works how I work.  It just makes sense to me and my workflow.


However, I have not used X2 for more than a few mixes because it's Take Lanes feature is just poorly implemented when editing live instruments.  I tried multiple times to get used to it, but it was killing too much time to learn.  Also there were a few hitches that I couldn't find work-arounds for.  Don't remember what they were to be honest, but I've moved on.  Actually, I've stayed put with X1d.


I just hope that I'm actually able to use X3 for recording and mixing if I decide to buy it.

Hi all,for me X2a is the best Pro Daw on the market (for me) and my clients preferred several times the Sonar prjs over Protools prj for the more definited and dimensional sound (maybe 64bit FP workflow?).The last....the Cubase 7 aspect is reaaaaally ugly!!For me.Best

Why do people like this type of thread? :)

To the original poster - as other have stated, best of luck if you decide to search for greener pastures.  Any such choice bnrings potential for issues, so I would suggest you do some forum reading to determine the kinds of things that are lurking with any other software you are considering.

As far as X2a goes, there are a great many folks who are running with X2a as their production go-to recording software.  As one person posted above, lots of times folks do not post when things are working, but only when they are confused about something or think they may have some sort of bug.

Certainly, there are quite a few posts in this forum about crashes and glitches and audio dropouts and such, but MANY times, if not most times, those issues are in fact caused by things like:

Installation issues (not installing Sonar with the run as administrator option.

Audio interface driver issues - drivers may not be available for either Windows 7 or Windows 8, or a particular driver version is unstable.

Mis-match of sample rates between Sonar and the interface.

Background software running on the computer that conflicts with the operation of Sonar.

Choosing a driver mode that has problems on a particular computer. Sometimes WDM works best, and most times ASIO works best.

In the above cases, these are generally solvable, except where there are driver issues that are beyond the ability to alter - such as no drivers available for Win 7 or Win 89, or stability problems with a given version of a driver.

If you look at the threads for the above kinds of issues, you will find that in most cases those issues are resolved, and are not at all attributable to Sonar as the cause of the issues.

There ARE some bugs present in Sonar, and that is true with any software, but I believe that many of those also have work-arounds available.

So, again best of everything to you for whatever you decide.  Please KNOW that there a giant bunch of folks here in this forum who will go to great lengths to assist you or anybody with whatever questions or issues are presented in posts.

Bob Bone

Why do people like this type of thread? :)

 
I believe it's a variation of the car crash/rubberneck syndrome.   It's so hard not to look.    
 
Besides, when's the last time a "vs." thread didn't get any attention?   

Hi Bob,

Yeah, I think I've been quite a lucky what comes to issues with Sonar (X1d). Of course DAW get more unstable when you have all those CPU hungry third party plugins all over your project but that is something I can live with. BTW: there seems to be some issue with WaveShells and Cakewalk Plug-In Manager. I wrote about that on the other forum, but I'll copy/paste it here later.

I have Windows 7 (x64) and I've optimized everything to get the best out of it. I have Windows 7 on SSD; Sonar, Reaper, Reason + plugins on other SSD; all the sample files on external HD, and my recorded audio drive is "regular" 100 GB HD. Everything is working nicely. So that's why I'm not into upgrading. Why fix it if it ain't broke? :) 

But you never know. As I said, it's a leap of faith. I have never used Cubase. I've heard that Nuendo is really stable but that stability costs a little bit too much. When I've finished with my current projects, I'll download the trial version of Cubase. Maybe I'll stick with X1, maybe I wait 'til the X3 is released. I know it costs a little bit more to upgrade from X1 than upgrade from X2, but that's how it goes.

All I wanted to say is that I think X2 is not necessary must-have upgrade. I think they should have released it as a free update for X1d users - without all those LE's and name it X1.5

What comes to Cubase 7 GUI, I don't think it's ugly - or butt-ugly. I guess I can live with it. It's actually quite similar to Reason's mixing console GUI. Lots of red, green and blue... Gives you that nice illusion of mixing with SSL.
 

 

J4R10

All I wanted to say is that I think X2 is not necessary must-have upgrade. I think they should have released it as a free update for X1d users - without all those LE's and name it X1.5

Well - it's certainly your prerogative not to buy an update. I personally find X2 to have been great value, and a very solid release and I am very happy with X2a. 
So this is really just another - it should have been free - thread. I want it - but I don't want to pay for it.

Brando

J4R10

All I wanted to say is that I think X2 is not necessary must-have upgrade. I think they should have released it as a free update for X1d users - without all those LE's and name it X1.5

Well - it's certainly your prerogative not to buy an update. I personally find X2 to have been great value, and a very solid release and I am very happy with X2a. 
So this is really just another - it should have been free - thread. I want it - but I don't want to pay for it.

X2 is a great value and there some nice touches but there are still a lot of bugs.  I'm looking at Cubase 7 simply because I need a different tool set that Sonar doesn't provide.